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They would rather hand Syria to Russia and Iran than to work with us.

Because in the long run were the only nation in the region that will challenge Israel. And as long as zionists believe in their greater isreal bullshit, a day will come when we will go to war with them.

The other sells this to her nation as a great achievement:

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While the previous master of the region sells to his people:

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This isnt to insult Iran, but think like a fanatical racist Zionist for a moment, a zionist who believes in the greater isreal project. When he looks at the map of the region he does not fear egypt, saudi, iraq, syria etc. Its Turkey he fears in the long run. The Isreali general said it himself not so long ago, "Iran can be contained, Turkey is real rival".
 

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Turkey wants to change the conditions in Aleppo in order to rebuild it and facilitate the return of civilians.

Russia wants to take control of Idlib, withdraw it from the hands of Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham and hand it over to the Syrian regime.

Ankara sees Aleppo as now a Shiite city and wants to restore it to its original Sunni identity.

Giving Idlib for Tal Rifaat and the return of Sunni refugees.

Erdogan is fearing a hostile Shi'ite border. So much for the Arab opening 😁
 

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Giving Idlib for Tal Rifaat and the return of Sunni refugees.

Erdogan is fearing a hostile Shi'ite border. So much for the Arab opening 😁
"We were deceived"
 

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We talked many times about this and by the looks this is what will happen in the end. I can't wait to see the faces of the analyzers glorifying the rats, claiming to be undefeated warriors after they crumble under the feet of Turkiye and Assad in a matter of weeks. People really don't understand that YPG is not powerful as PKK main branch in Iraq. The most of the people see Humvees, flashy weapons, uniforms and 2 Delta Force teams accompanying them and think they are dealing with Uncle Sam himself. Nothing like that. People will realize how wrong they are after the US start departing. Everything is show for the taxpayers.

People who folows the SCW would know that the YPG are at the bottom of the food chain. If it wasn't for Turkiye for example they would be crushed in Kobane.

Their survival lies with how they switched sides as they saw fit. Like in Sheikh Meksud in Aleppo where they allied themselves with the SAA, and totally fought the SAA in Hasakah. It works for some time, until one day it might not work anymore.

Also don't forget their main selling points : Blue eyed blonde female 'warriors' with an AK shooting at the sky for women empowerment, totall badasss LOL. If they're not shooting they're dancing in circles. lel
 

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Also don't forget their main selling points : Blue eyed blonde female 'warriors' with an AK shooting at the sky for women empowerment, totall badasss LOL. If they're not shooting they're dancing in circles. lel

They have a huge propagandamachine. Almost the whole world believes that those 'heroic' unibrow towelheads and their transwomen and European marxist mercenaries 'defeated' ISIS.

Israel does the same. When they commit a massacre, they send a blond IDF-women to talk to the international press.

Erdogan with his huge state resources couldnt break this with counterpropaganda while Turkish soldiers did the heavy lifting against ISIS. Turkey should have produced state-of-the-art animations, cartoons and Marvel-like superhero movies about the Turkish Armed Forces.

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They have a huge propagandamachine. Almost the whole world believes that those 'heroic' unibrow towelheads and their transwomen and European marxist mercenaries 'defeated' ISIS.

Israel does the same. When they commit a massacre, they send a blond IDF-women to talk to the international press.

Erdogan with his huge state resources couldnt break this with counterpropaganda while Turkish soldiers did the heavy lifting against ISIS. Turkey should have produced state-of-the-art animations, cartoons and Marvel-like superhero movies about the Turkish Armed Forces.

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We somewhat did (Dağ II) but cultural isolation is a real thing when it comes to Türkiye. Mainly because of the language barrier, but also world doesn't pay attention to Turkish struggles against ISIS. That kind of media simply makes their brain go haywire. It doesn't fit the narrative they have about Turkey, the region, Islam or ISIS.

Americans just go blue screen because they can't grasp grey morality. Everything is a good vs. evil marvel movie with them. They pick a side (generally the perceived underdog) and stick with it. In our case its "da Currds".

Europans prefer to sate their confirmation biases with clips of Erdogan shouting. Turkish Armed Forces deleting 3000 hardened ISIS terrorists is just a curious factoid, which they forget about in the next 5 minutes after they hear it.

In general they hate Erdoğan with a passion. I mean, I also hate him, but they conflate Erdoğan's person with the Turkish nation. They think if he is gone, Turkey would just give up the southeast and Cyprus back off Sea of Islands, and somehow solve the migration crisis and also not be in economic ruin.

The ones who do some research on the subject just pick and choose little things. They make a big stink about the lost leopards for example, because it confirms their bias about TAF (third rate corrupt military of a dictatorship). They also fixate on the ISIS oil trade stuff. I don't believe we can ever change the mindset of westerners. It's a lost cause.

Turkish achievements in the Syrian Civil War is numerous, mostly tactical victories that showcase the advanced nature of our military (not saying it's all good). Shame no one actually cares about it, because imitating the Turkish way of war would really help more middling NATO nations a whole lot.
 

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We somewhat did (Dağ II) but cultural isolation is a real thing when it comes to Türkiye. Mainly because of the language barrier, but also world doesn't pay attention to Turkish struggles against ISIS. That kind of media simply makes their brain go haywire. It doesn't fit the narrative they have about Turkey, the region, Islam or ISIS.

Americans just go blue screen because they can't grasp grey morality. Everything is a good vs. evil marvel movie with them. They pick a side (generally the perceived underdog) and stick with it. In our case its "da Currds".

Europans prefer to sate their confirmation biases with clips of Erdogan shouting. Turkish Armed Forces deleting 3000 hardened ISIS terrorists is just a curious factoid, which they forget about in the next 5 minutes after they hear it.

In general they hate Erdoğan with a passion. I mean, I also hate him, but they conflate Erdoğan's person with the Turkish nation. They think if he is gone, Turkey would just give up the southeast and Cyprus back off Sea of Islands, and somehow solve the migration crisis and also not be in economic ruin.

The ones who do some research on the subject just pick and choose little things. They make a big stink about the lost leopards for example, because it confirms their bias about TAF (third rate corrupt military of a dictatorship). They also fixate on the ISIS oil trade stuff. I don't believe we can ever change the mindset of westerners. It's a lost cause.

Turkish achievements in the Syrian Civil War is numerous, mostly tactical victories that showcase the advanced nature of our military (not saying it's all good). Shame no one actually cares about it, because imitating the Turkish way of war would really help more middling NATO nations a whole lot.
It's a waste of time and effort anyway to please the west. What Türkiye needs to focus on is to become a lot stronger than now and more rutheless as a whole. I still believe that today even with the current War, that the west hates Türkiye more than Russia.
 

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"In such a situation, whether the Russians will negotiate or not, in other words, their attitude towards Turkey's actions on the YPG/PKK is very clear in retrospect. The Russians did not negotiate over the territories they claimed for the YPG/PKK and always pointed to strategic points for the US.

The question is whether this situation will turn into a long-term policy tool for Russia that will make Turkey, which has unstable relations with the West, uneasy along its southern border.

In 2020 the autonomy document was announced by the YPG/PKK in Moscow. If the plan of cooperation with Damascus in exchange for the YPG/PKK's autonomy in certain areas, which was frequently emphasized by Russian officials, is implemented, Turkey's chances of operation in Syria will seriously diminish.

As it will be remembered, Mazlum Abdi stated in an interview that they have no reservations about the YPG/SDF being a component of the regime's army. This situation, defining the YPG/PKK as an official component of the Assad regime's army, means more protection for the YPG/PKK than that provided by the US through Russia.

However, to severely weaken a US-less YPG/PKK and keep issues negotiable through Ankara's policy of balance, the Russians could also choose to weaken the organization by turning a blind eye to Turkey's operations along the border in the depth of the M4 line and force it to make non-autonomous choices.

The issue here is what kind of added value Moscow hopes to realize.

Considering Russia's operations in Africa, which is likely to seek non-war solutions to protect its interests and presence in Syria by gaining a clear military superiority over the regime's opponents in Idlib and northern Aleppo, would solve the file by bringing a fait accompli political solution to the table.

Syria is one of the nodal points for Russia for its operations in Africa as well as in the Mediterranean. In this respect, the rapid demilitarisation of Syria is crucial for Moscow's vital operational chain.

In the case of a conflict, the risk Turkey will take will be higher than Russia. In this case, it is close to impossible to realize a political solution as Turkey and the opposition had hoped.

At this point, the only thing that can help Turkey and the Syrian opposition out of this bind is for Russia to get into serious trouble in Africa. While the Europeans are rapidly withdrawing from Africa in the face of the Russians, such a situation is not on the horizon.

I don't think the Americans have calculated the medium-long term consequences of this situation, which may lead to a NATO confrontation with China-Iran-Russia on Turkey's southern border."


 

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I don't think the Americans have calculated the medium-long term consequences of this situation, which may lead to a NATO confrontation with China-Iran-Russia on Turkey's southern border."
On the contrary.

They're going to leave us to the proverbial beast, like a wad of meat to the hungry lion, so that we get a "schooling" and come back bawling and crawling.

"Oh daddy NATO, please take us back, We'll be good this time!" that's what they hope to hear.
They're truly on their pimp shit.

Pussyfooting time is over. We need to be on war footing. Not just as a gov't, or a state, but as a nation.
Every single man, woman and children should be on the survival mindset. The home front should be fortified at all costs.
AT. ALL. COSTS.
Establish camps like China, if we have to. Independence Tribunals should make a comeback.

and we need those nukes ASAP.
 

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"In such a situation, whether the Russians will negotiate or not, in other words, their attitude towards Turkey's actions on the YPG/PKK is very clear in retrospect. The Russians did not negotiate over the territories they claimed for the YPG/PKK and always pointed to strategic points for the US.

The question is whether this situation will turn into a long-term policy tool for Russia that will make Turkey, which has unstable relations with the West, uneasy along its southern border.

In 2020 the autonomy document was announced by the YPG/PKK in Moscow. If the plan of cooperation with Damascus in exchange for the YPG/PKK's autonomy in certain areas, which was frequently emphasized by Russian officials, is implemented, Turkey's chances of operation in Syria will seriously diminish.

As it will be remembered, Mazlum Abdi stated in an interview that they have no reservations about the YPG/SDF being a component of the regime's army. This situation, defining the YPG/PKK as an official component of the Assad regime's army, means more protection for the YPG/PKK than that provided by the US through Russia.

However, to severely weaken a US-less YPG/PKK and keep issues negotiable through Ankara's policy of balance, the Russians could also choose to weaken the organization by turning a blind eye to Turkey's operations along the border in the depth of the M4 line and force it to make non-autonomous choices.

The issue here is what kind of added value Moscow hopes to realize.

Considering Russia's operations in Africa, which is likely to seek non-war solutions to protect its interests and presence in Syria by gaining a clear military superiority over the regime's opponents in Idlib and northern Aleppo, would solve the file by bringing a fait accompli political solution to the table.

Syria is one of the nodal points for Russia for its operations in Africa as well as in the Mediterranean. In this respect, the rapid demilitarisation of Syria is crucial for Moscow's vital operational chain.

In the case of a conflict, the risk Turkey will take will be higher than Russia. In this case, it is close to impossible to realize a political solution as Turkey and the opposition had hoped.

At this point, the only thing that can help Turkey and the Syrian opposition out of this bind is for Russia to get into serious trouble in Africa. While the Europeans are rapidly withdrawing from Africa in the face of the Russians, such a situation is not on the horizon.

I don't think the Americans have calculated the medium-long term consequences of this situation, which may lead to a NATO confrontation with China-Iran-Russia on Turkey's southern border."



His analysis is pure nonsense.

A nation of 90 million looking to build her own 5th gen fighter jet, is going to have worry about russian mercs failing in africa in order for us to oppose their plans in northern syria. Absolute nonsense.

Russia these days has more to fear from us arming Ukraine then we do them supporting some shitty Marxist terrorists that the entire region despises.

The reality is Russians got about 10 years max to f'k around in our backyard, after that they are being told to f'off or will be forced to leave. Just like they had to leave in Karabagh in the end.

Once Turkey has her own air defence systems, endless armed drones, ballistic missiles and her own fighter jets, Russia is not going to stop us from cleaning terrorists in Syria. And going to war with Turkey over PKK is not good business for Russia. Ukraine military is nothing compared to Turkey.

Also worth remembering we control the straights. You attack us, they will close for Russia. Not only will they close but the doors to america and others to flood the black sea may open.
 
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They would rather hand Syria to Russia and Iran than to work with us.
usa did this at least 2 time since 2011.
usa did gave areas which they control to ruzzians
usa did made many co operations with ruzzians in syria, even more than that they side with ruzzians against Turkiye in syria.

Do not forget main thing -> usa main goal is protect isreal if it is coming from syria territory . Second prio is using and protecting PKK in syria. Anything else is low prio, this mean if any new opportunity happend then use it to fuck up ruzzia or Turkiye or syria.

I do not understand this -> "They would rather hand Syria to Russia and Iran than to work with us"!!
On what FACT or logical base you Thinking that usa will side with Turkiye or hand anything to Turkiye?
 

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Biden is considering withdrawing from northern Syria to strengthen the stance of US forces against Iran.
This is Bull shit news.

Only way usa leave syria is because they -> usa and isreal accepted the thing which Turkiye able to exchange/trade for .
There are real objections here and it is usa ally in the region -> isreal.
I think we will not able to know it.
News are bla bla. Only main thing which news say correct that usa is leaving syria. But Why?
 

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This is Bull shit news.

Only way usa leave syria is because they -> usa and isreal accepted the thing which Turkiye able to exchange/trade for .
There are real objections here and it is usa ally in the region -> isreal.
I think we will not able to know it.
News are bla bla. Only main thing which news say correct that usa is leaving syria. But Why?

Just as talks about another incursion could be taking place, we hear rumours spread by PKK propagandists amberin zaman about a potential withdrawal. To me this is just a deception tactic to make the Turks step back and think, why risk a wider conflict if they are going to leave anyway. smoke and mirrors from our treacherous allies.

The day their media stops pushing pkkistan, is the day you know they are looking to jump ship. But as long as their media promotes it and as long as the western nations give them safe haven, then trust they want to balkanise the region. We must break their devilish agenda in the region.

The mad thing is, Russia has buried herself in Ukraine, America is tied up with supporting the isreali genocide of Gaza. This would be a great time to make anther incursion.

on a side note the way amberin zaman propergates pro terrorist agenda and spread anti-Turkish narratives, while also having access to all high level pkk terrorists tells me she is an intelligence asset, most likely connected to the USA. Money must be good to be little terrorist spokesman.
 

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