TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Oublious]

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1000 HGK-82 delivered past 15 months. 27km range

A country like Turkey should have stock of 10000 at least, in operation these are like fire crackers. You are over your stock in no time.

 

[Yasar_TR]

A country like Turkey should have stock of 10000 at least, in operation these are like fire crackers. You are over your stock in no time.

Do you know how much each one of these cost?
US were selling them (as JDAM) to us for over 90thousand dollars each. We have manufactured them as HGK for around 27-28thousand dollars each.
What you are suggesting makes 280 million dollars. That is more than a Milgem Corvette.
For a bomb that has a shelf life of 20 years maximum - provided they are serviced regularly every 5 years - it is a very expensive exercise to have too many of them in your inventory. (By the way servicing them every 5 years cost a lot as well since it may involve updating explosive contents)
Also remember that these are not the only smart bombs we need; KGK, Teber, Atmaca, SOM series, CAKIR are only a few of them.
If we need to give example, in 2018 an agreement was signed to produce 415 units of SOM missiles for our inventory. Roketsan GM Selcuk Yasar has disclosed that the list price of these are over 1 million dollars each.
So already we have invested over 400million dollars in SOM missiles.
MOD knows best, what we need in which quantity. Leave it to them.

JDAM

Türk Hava Kuvvetleri'nin Milli Vurucu Gücü : SOM Füze Ailesi

Başta düşman hava savunma sistemleri olmak üzere kritik değerdeki hedeflerin, pilotları tehlike altına atmadan imha edilebilmesi için seyir füzeleri gibi uzun menzilli mühimmatlar kullanılmakta. Bu kapsamda Türk Hava Kuvvetleri’nin havadan atılan seyir füzesi ihtiyacını giderebilmek için de...

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Azerbaijan Displayed Mock-Up of SOM-B1 Missile at Parade

by İbrahim SÜNNETÇİ

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[BalkanTurk90]

Usa itself build them at 20k dollar cost and sold to other for 3x or 4x of that price . If Usa do it for 20k we can for 10k - 1 Bomb .
And if u build too many prive will drop , this work with everything .
10000 is not large number for a guided bomb , if a large war break out it will be important , u cant tell your enemy lets wait take brake to build some bombs .
And in case of war some fabrics will be destroyed by enemy .

 

[what]

Do you know how much each one of these cost?
US were selling them (as JDAM) to us for over 90thousand dollars each. We have manufactured them as HGK for around 27-28thousand dollars each.
What you are suggesting makes 280 million dollars. That is more than a Milgem Corvette.
For a bomb that has a shelf life of 20 years maximum - provided they are serviced regularly every 5 years - it is a very expensive exercise to have too many of them in your inventory. (By the way servicing them every 5 years cost a lot as well since it may involve updating explosive contents)
Also remember that these are not the only smart bombs we need; KGK, Teber, Atmaca, SOM series, CAKIR are only a few of them.
If we need to give example, in 2018 an agreement was signed to produce 415 units of SOM missiles for our inventory. Roketsan GM Selcuk Yasar has disclosed that the list price of these are over 1 million dollars each.
So already we have invested over 400million dollars in SOM missiles.
MOD knows best, what we need in which quantity. Leave it to them.

JDAM

Türk Hava Kuvvetleri'nin Milli Vurucu Gücü : SOM Füze Ailesi

Başta düşman hava savunma sistemleri olmak üzere kritik değerdeki hedeflerin, pilotları tehlike altına atmadan imha edilebilmesi için seyir füzeleri gibi uzun menzilli mühimmatlar kullanılmakta. Bu kapsamda Türk Hava Kuvvetleri’nin havadan atılan seyir füzesi ihtiyacını giderebilmek için de...

m5dergi.com

Azerbaijan Displayed Mock-Up of SOM-B1 Missile at Parade

by İbrahim SÜNNETÇİ

www.defenceturkey.com

1m per SOM seems high to me, what do comparable cruise missiles cost? Could that be the export price and the Turkish forces get other conditions?

 

[Saithan]

Do you know how much each one of these cost?
US were selling them (as JDAM) to us for over 90thousand dollars each. We have manufactured them as HGK for around 27-28thousand dollars each.
What you are suggesting makes 280 million dollars. That is more than a Milgem Corvette.
For a bomb that has a shelf life of 20 years maximum - provided they are serviced regularly every 5 years - it is a very expensive exercise to have too many of them in your inventory. (By the way servicing them every 5 years cost a lot as well since it may involve updating explosive contents)
Also remember that these are not the only smart bombs we need; KGK, Teber, Atmaca, SOM series, CAKIR are only a few of them.
If we need to give example, in 2018 an agreement was signed to produce 415 units of SOM missiles for our inventory. Roketsan GM Selcuk Yasar has disclosed that the list price of these are over 1 million dollars each.
So already we have invested over 400million dollars in SOM missiles.
MOD knows best, what we need in which quantity. Leave it to them.

JDAM

Türk Hava Kuvvetleri'nin Milli Vurucu Gücü : SOM Füze Ailesi

Başta düşman hava savunma sistemleri olmak üzere kritik değerdeki hedeflerin, pilotları tehlike altına atmadan imha edilebilmesi için seyir füzeleri gibi uzun menzilli mühimmatlar kullanılmakta. Bu kapsamda Türk Hava Kuvvetleri’nin havadan atılan seyir füzesi ihtiyacını giderebilmek için de...

m5dergi.com

Azerbaijan Displayed Mock-Up of SOM-B1 Missile at Parade

by İbrahim SÜNNETÇİ

www.defenceturkey.com

Considering the region we would be better of having these ready by hand as mentioned. 10.000 can disappear in a month long operation in no time.

 

[Yasar_TR]

1m per SOM seems high to me, what do comparable cruise missiles cost? Could that be the export price and the Turkish forces get other conditions?

Norwegian JSM Kongsberg missile (SOM-J equivalent) is 2.2 million dollars.
Roketsan’s General Manager himself has disclosed the over 1 million dollar price of SOM missile.

Considering the region we would be better of having these ready by hand as mentioned. 10.000 can disappear in a month long operation in no time.

If you have a missile like HGK that can hit it’s target with the accuracy of 0.9metre, how many targets can you actually find to hit in a war? Also how many targets your airforce of 200 planes can find the opportunity to hit from 27km?
The Turkish MOD is most likely letting our enemies know that we have 1000 HGK bombs in the inventory on purpose. Everyone knows that such numbers are never revealed. So they are probably just arbitrary numbers at the end of the day, to deter and warn enemies. Real quantities may be higher. But 10000 is not a realistic number to have just for HGK.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Usa itself build them at 20k dollar cost and sold to other for 3x or 4x of that price . If Usa do it for 20k we can for 10k - 1 Bomb .

Actually you are not far out. One of our officials had mentioned that when we were first buying the JDAMs, even at over 90thousand dollars a piece they wouldn’t approve the quantities we wanted. So we manufactured HGK in it’s place for 27 thousand dollars. After our first test, US offered the same JDAM to us for 25 thousand dollars. But this time we refused. And carried on producing ours. But now with the quantities we have produced, unit price could very well be at under 20 thousand dollar level.

 

[Saithan]

I kinda thought the Production amount per day in average were a bit low.

 

[Fighter_35]

A country like Turkey should have stock of 10000 at least, in operation these are like fire crackers. You are over your stock in no time.

We don't know him many we have, das at is the third company that can produce these ones beside sager and ASELSAN. Hgk for mk-82 has been produced many before fasbat's 1000 hgks.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I kinda thought the Production amount per day in average were a bit low.

Remember that these are just the guidance kits. The MK series dumb bombs are produced by MKE and we have probably many thousands of it in stock.
MK81: 250lb
MK82 : 500lb
MK83 : 1000lb
MK84 : 2000lb
All of the above bombs are among the production list of MKE.
Roketsan produces the kit that fits on to these dumb bombs, that renders them as smart, precision guided bombs. Apart from the lightest MK81 bombs, other 3 can be fitted with the HGK kits.
Roketsan fits it’s guidance kits on these bombs an delivers them to TurAF.
End of last year they reported that, they delivered 700 units of MK81 and MK82 TEBER guidance kit fitted bombs, to the airforce.
So they are manufacturing not just HGK-82. But other HGK class bombs and other guidance kits like TEBER as well.
According to the below news, KGK series bombs should have been in serial production by 2018 too.

https://www.raillynews.com/2021/09/rocketsan-delivered-700-halberd-gudum-kits-to-the-air-force/

In short; They don’t disclose “everything” to the public. But if they are saying, they delivered 1000 units of HGK-82 and 700units of TEBER-81 and TEBER-82, that is not just what they have produced. We don’t know how many of each MK bombs they have fitted the HGK, KGK and TEBER kits.

TÜBİTAK SAGE KGK (Kanatlı Güdüm Kiti)

TÜBİTAK SAGE KGK Kanatlı Güdüm Kiti

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[Hexciter]

Remember that these are just the guidance kits. The MK series dumb bombs are produced by MKE and we have probably many thousands of it in stock.
MK81: 250lb
MK82 : 500lb
MK83 : 1000lb
MK84 : 2000lb
All of the above bombs are among the production list of MKE.
Roketsan produces the kit that fits on to these dumb bombs, that renders them as smart, precision guided bombs. Apart from the lightest MK81 bombs, other 3 can be fitted with the HGK kits.
Roketsan fits it’s guidance kits on these bombs an delivers them to TurAF.
End of last year they reported that, they delivered 700 units of MK81 and MK82 TEBER guidance kit fitted bombs, to the airforce.
So they are manufacturing not just HGK-82. But other HGK class bombs and other guidance kits like TEBER as well.
According to the below news, KGK series bombs should have been in serial production by 2018 too.

https://www.raillynews.com/2021/09/rocketsan-delivered-700-halberd-gudum-kits-to-the-air-force/

In short; They don’t disclose “everything” to the public. But if they are saying, they delivered 1000 units of HGK-82 and 700units of TEBER-81 and TEBER-82, that is not just what they have produced. We don’t know how many of each MK bombs they have fitted the HGK, KGK and TEBER kits.

TÜBİTAK SAGE KGK (Kanatlı Güdüm Kiti)

TÜBİTAK SAGE KGK Kanatlı Güdüm Kiti

www.millisavunma.com

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As far as I know, MKE produces Mk-84 and Mk-82 only.

 

[Yasar_TR]

As far as I know, MKE produces Mk-84 and Mk-82 only.

MKE A.Ş. - ÜRÜN DETAY

urunler.mke.gov.tr

MKE A.Ş. - ÜRÜN DETAY

urunler.mke.gov.tr

As you would see MK-81 and MK-83 are among their production list too.

 

[Khagan1923]

Several firms are producing these bombs and kits not just MKE. TSK should have a pretty big stockpile by now. Also in case of a conflict these firms can pump these bombs out in a faster manner.

Drawing comparisons to Russia's failure in Ukraine is also a bit complicated as Russia has a big problem with accuracy which means they need to waste more bombs and missiles on one target. On the other hands our bombs and missiles have proven themselves to be very and I mean very precise. I think there was a video of them bombing snake island after retreating and 3 out of 4 bombs miss the island by hundereds of meters and land in the water. It is the same for the majority of other strikes we have seen.

Never the less lessons are surely being taken with what is happening in Ukraine. But a big stockpile was always a high priority for TSK.

 

[Afif]

The range of the Gökdoğan is similar to AIM-120B and it is technological capability is similar to AIM-120D. It has two-way datalink+active RF seeker. The missile can be controlled by a third-party platform. The recent test-fired missile has a two-way datalink up and running.
The range of the Gökdoğan-ER/Block II will be similar to AIM-120C5/7 and it will be similar to AIM-120D in technological capability.
The range of the Gökhan will be similar to Meteor but it will travel to that distance faster. It will be superior to the Meteor in technological capability. It will have a completely new next generation seeker different from the Gökdoğan series.

AIM-120C7 has only a one-way data link so it is possible to update the missile with target data from a third-party platform(TurAF did it with AWACS) but it is not possible to take over the whole engagement.

Is their any relaible source for gokdogan two way data link capability?

 

[Radonsider]

Is their any relaible source for gokdogan two way data link capability?

He IS the source

 

[UkroTurk]

Is their any relaible source for gokdogan two way data link capability?

It's " must have capability for Beyond Visual Range Air2Air Missiles".

Without two way data link the missile would be useless.

 

[Yasar_TR]

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First long range cruise missile of Turkey, “Gezgin” ‘s propulsion unit, Arat is being developed by Kale.
The project was started at the beginning of this year and the work on conceptual design has been completed. Although they had set themselves a time frame of three year to develop the engine, the MD of Kale is confident they will be able to bring this date significantly forward.

 

[Afif]

It's " must have capability for Beyond Visual Range Air2Air Missiles".

Without two way data link the missile would be useless.

No, actually most of the ammraam varrient expect D model has only one way data link!

 

[UkroTurk]

No, actually most of the ammraam varrient expect D model has only one way data link!

We are in 2022. All modern BVR A2A s have it.

 

[Afif]

We are in 2022. All modern BVR A2A s have it.

No it does not! Even aim120 c7 varrient has one way data link. Only meteor, aim120d and pl15 believed to have two way data link in 2022!