TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Yasar_TR]

On maybe related news, Boeing & Nammo have successfully tested its ramjet powered artillery projectile.

Boeing, Nammo successfully test Ramjet air-breathing, longer-distance artillery - Breaking Defense

The recent test verified the projectile's flight stability and propulsion system. Next up: guided flight.

breakingdefense.com

This was tested earlier this year. I remember reading about it. Up to 150 km range. But it is a very expensive method to increase range. There is already guided rounds like Excalibur in esoteric price levels. Who knows what these will cost. Also the amount of explosive it can carry will be greatly reduced due to engine, fuel etc.
As Turkey we have our TRG/TRLG-300 missiles that can carry 90-105 kg of explosives to similar ranges and with accuracy, probably at similar cost.
Nevertheless the technology is there and it is possible to shoot targets 150km away very accurately with these rounds.

The range revolution - Nammo

www.nammo.com

 

[what]

I was thinking the same, must be very expensive. I personally prefer a good bang to buck ratio over overengineered shells that cost 1m € per piece. Excalibur is already supposed to cost 100k Dollars per shell.

 

[Anmdt]

live-fire tests

Disclaimer; Does not necessarily mean a live-fire test with ramjet propulsion. Possibly tested via a sample missile derived in form of HARM with rocket propulsion.
Also wondering when TAF will demand AESA based seeker on the missiles and Aselsan will begin the development? Might be useful with these kind of high-value asset targeting missiles.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Now that liquid and solid fuel Ramjets are in testing phase, we can say that our product range will be as follows;

-Ramjet BVR Gokhan
-Ramjet Ground based SAM based on Gökhan
-Ramjet Anti-radiation Akbaba
-Ramjet Shore/Ship based Anti-Ship missile
-Ramjet Air Launched Anti-Ship and Land attack missile

 

[Osman]

İsmail Bey said the range og Gökdoğan Bvraam is beyond 100 km.

 

[Oublious]

We are still talking with Malaysians about chip...

 

[Fighter_35]

We need chip production . You see china being sanctioned on many fields.
We may face same things in future, so chip production is necessarry

 

[Yasar_TR]

Now that liquid and solid fuel Ramjets are in testing phase, we can say that our product range will be as follows;

-Ramjet BVR Gokhan
-Ramjet Ground based SAM based on Gökhan
-Ramjet Anti-radiation Akbaba
-Ramjet Shore/Ship based Anti-Ship missile
-Ramjet Air Launched Anti-Ship and Land attack missile

Very ambitious and correct way to go forward with.
Gokhan and Akbaba will materialise in the months to come hopefully.
Gokhan with a liquid fuel ramjet engine and Akbaba with solid fuel ramjet engine.
All the others you have listed here will have to be with liquid fuel ramjet engines.
My only reservation is the SAMs having a ramjet engine. I can’t see our air defence forces having spent a lot of time, money and expertise in perfecting in applying the dual pulse engine technology to the Hisar and Siper missiles converting to ramjet propulsion. But throttle controlled liquid fuelled ramjet powered SAMs would be unique and could give very high degree of kill ratios if they can be manufactured economically.
The last two in your list would be the Turkish equivalent of Brahmos missiles. May be we should add to that : Submarine launched version as well.
And of course one more step after these would be the natural evolution of the ramjet technology to Scramjets. This will open the road to hypersonic missiles for us.

 

[Siper>MMU]

Very ambitious and correct way to go forward with.
Gokhan and Akbaba will materialise in the months to come hopefully.
Gokhan with a liquid fuel ramjet engine and Akbaba with solid fuel ramjet engine.
All the others you have listed here will have to be with liquid fuel ramjet engines.
My only reservation is the SAMs having a ramjet engine. I can’t see our air defence forces having spent a lot of time, money and expertise in perfecting in applying the dual pulse engine technology to the Hisar and Siper missiles converting to ramjet propulsion. But throttle controlled liquid fuelled ramjet powered SAMs would be unique and could give very high degree of kill ratios if they can be manufactured economically.
The last two in your list would be the Turkish equivalent of Brahmos missiles. May be we should add to that : Submarine launched version as well.
And of course one more step after these would be the natural evolution of the ramjet technology to Scramjets. This will open the road to hypersonic missiles for us.

Gökhan will have solid fueled ramjet likely because at high G's pressuring the fuel tank etc with liquid fuels are a huge problem. Also it is more dangerous compared to solid fuel.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Gökhan will have solid fueled ramjet likely because at high G's pressuring the fuel tank etc with liquid fuels are a huge problem. Also it is more dangerous compared to solid fuel.

This was discussed before. Both Gurcan Okumus of Tubitak Sage and Ismail Demir stated that Gökhan is going to be with liquid fuelled ramjet engines. But there is a small trick here; The liquid fuel used will probably be like the liquid fuel used in Brahmos missiles. That is gel based liquid fuels. This imparts solid fuel like storage and usage characteristics to the fuel. So none of the problems associated with conventional liquid fuels.
Also throttle control with liquid/gel based fuels is much easier than solid fuelled ramjets.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Very ambitious and correct way to go forward with.
Gokhan and Akbaba will materialise in the months to come hopefully.
Gokhan with a liquid fuel ramjet engine and Akbaba with solid fuel ramjet engine.
All the others you have listed here will have to be with liquid fuel ramjet engines.
My only reservation is the SAMs having a ramjet engine. I can’t see our air defence forces having spent a lot of time, money and expertise in perfecting in applying the dual pulse engine technology to the Hisar and Siper missiles converting to ramjet propulsion. But throttle controlled liquid fuelled ramjet powered SAMs would be unique and could give very high degree of kill ratios if they can be manufactured economically.
The last two in your list would be the Turkish equivalent of Brahmos missiles. May be we should add to that : Submarine launched version as well.
And of course one more step after these would be the natural evolution of the ramjet technology to Scramjets. This will open the road to hypersonic missiles for us.

I do not know if it will be included in the inventory of the Turkish army but Mr. Gürcan stated that the development of a groundbased air defense version of Gokhan was considered.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1558016765002715137

KGK reached over 110km

 

[Hexciter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1558016765002715137

KGK reached 110km

writes reached over 110 km

 

[Fuzuli NL]

writes reached over 110 km

Way over!

 

[Hexciter]

Unlike Lahat, Tanok seems to have a booster

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1557998427723776000

 

[Saithan]

writes reached over 110 km

Corrected

 

[Osman]

Does anybody have an estimation for kgk's new range? And what about minbo? Can we presume the same improvement for minbo range?

 

[Siper>MMU]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1558016765002715137

KGK reached over 110km

They've must been used a sustainer motor to increase the range. Otherwise it is close to impossible to extend its range further. Almost every similar glide bomb have the same range. That's the maximum you can reach with that design.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1558471762085560320

President Erdoğan: We are establishing a gunpowder, cartridge and capsule production facility in Sungurlu Organized Industrial Zone with an investment of 6 billion TL. The first phase of the facility, which consists of 3 factories, will be put into service in May 2023.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1559481649787797509

1000 HGK-82 delivered past 15 months. 27km range