TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1550480991986253824

A good series of tweets by Ibrahim Sunnetci on SOM, Cakir.

Also note the mentioned of ASA, smart munition network which enables all smart munitions to be monitored by a network, which allows any member in the network to guide the munition, update target, waypoints and cancel.

It was Gurcan Okumus who first revealed the ASA, in an interview with DefenceTurk, in a series of 'ag merkezli sohbetler' videos, however then, he claimed ASA was a figure of speech and was not linked to a real ongoing project. Altough, the way he spoken of the abbreviation 'ASA' which also translates as 'Wand' made is obvious.

A note from our engineer friend from Tusaş. Not compatible with ASA F-16s. However, it will be possible to use it in Hürjet-MİUS-MMU.

 

[Bogeyman]

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Indonesia collaborates with Turkey on UAV-mounted air-to-surface missiles​

Indonesia has formed a teaming arrangement with a Turkish defence research organisation to develop a new type of modular air-to-surface missile that can be deployed on unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs).

The teaming involves engineers from Indonesia's Agency for the Assessment and Application of Technology (BPPT) and Scientific and Technological Research Council of Turkey's (TUBITAK's) Defence Industries Research and Development Institute (SAGE), according to presentation materials provided to Janes by a source close to the matter. The presentation was made at an industry webinar on 14 July.

According to the materials, BPPT and SAGE are working on a modular air-to-surface missile type that can be configured for various mission sets, from anti-ship operations to ground-attack missions. The sensors and payloads of the missile will be interchangeable, even on short notice.

The objective of the collaboration is to equip Indonesia's indigenously developed medium-altitude, long-endurance (MALE) UAV with surface strike capabilities, the presentation materials added.

Indonesia collaborates with Turkey on UAV-mounted air-to-surface missiles

Indonesia has formed a teaming arrangement with a Turkish defence research organisation to develop a new type of modular air-to-surface missile that can be deployed on...

www.janes.com

Could there be a technology transfer for Kuzgun here? The report says it will be modular.

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

Could there be a technology transfer for Kuzgun here? The report says it will be modular.

As far as I know, for mini ammunition like bozok dropped from drone. I don't think Sage will give technology to anyone for its most unique product family.

 

[Anmdt]

Could there be a technology transfer for Kuzgun here? The report says it will be modular.

The maximum point it may reach is; export of Bozok, integration of missile control components and software into the mission computer for Bozok.

I doubt if any ToT will be involved here, Tubitak is an office whom isn't quite warm with ToT.

A note from our engineer friend from Tusaş. Not compatible with ASA F-16s. However, it will be possible to use it in Hürjet-MİUS-MMU.

At this stage ASA has nothing to do with Tusas, it is being developed by Tubitak, as part of whole network enabled warfare project. This project spans across the forces.

They managed to get Gokdogan with a data link on F-16 and ASA is something more than just a data lin: A center of command (HQ, AWACS, CC of another force) may transfer ownership of the missile fired from platform A to platform B with merely having a data-link available on both platforms without ASA running on them.

Or ASA - enabled platform A fires the missile and then transfers the missile ownership to platform B which doesn't have ASA aboard, but guides with its own data-link the good old way, as if fired from its own pylons.

 

[Bogeyman]

A note from our engineer friend from Tusaş. Not compatible with ASA F-16s. However, it will be possible to use it in Hürjet-MİUS-MMU.

I asked him about this again. And he said that ASA is not a datalink and the existing datalink projects are not mature enough. By the way, he also talked to engineers from Tübitak SAGE.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1551129935317704705

Sungur's man-portable air-defense system version entered the TAF inventory for the first time.

 

[Huelague]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1551129935317704705

Sungur's man-portable air-defense system version entered the TAF inventory for the first time.

The two guys in the video, are these Roketsan employees?

 

[Altay2071]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1551129935317704705

Sungur's man-portable air-defense system version entered the TAF inventory for the first time.

We need to be quicker in building our inventory with all the weapon systems in development. It is obvious why. Especially, Gökdogan missile and AESA radar are very much delayed. By now, we should have them in 100 F-16 installed. This is way too slow and giving Greece a window of strike opportunity in the next few years.

 

[Combat-Master]

We need to be quicker in building our inventory with all the weapon systems in development. It is obvious why. Especially, Gökdogan missile and AESA radar are very much delayed. By now, we should have them in 100 F-16 installed. This is way too slow and giving Greece a window of strike opportunity in the next few years.

I think the developmental time frame to production is very good, considering these are Turkeys very first missiles and sensor systems.

Any how, i think we would very much prefer seeing a good foundation being laid then rushing things into production, especially with Greece posing to be a threat - they need another half decade of modern arms build up to even be considered a threat. These guys are still rolling with G3s and postman pat type logistics trucks..

 

[Altay2071]

Your point certainly makes sense. It is a trade off between having the most developed version in inventory vs having sufficient quantity of it. I assume and hope this is being optimized by specialists in our army. In case of Sungur we might wait as we have enough of its base version, in other more essential cases like Bora we should still build up the inventory I think so that we can exercise real saturation. This should be done without cost considerations as a strike by Greece will be much more costly for us.

 

[Anmdt]

The maximum point it may reach is; export of Bozok, integration of missile control components and software into the mission computer for Bozok.

I doubt if any ToT will be involved here, Tubitak is an office whom isn't quite warm with ToT.

TÜBİTAK SAGE ve Endonezya mühimmat çalışmasında son durum

TÜBİTAK SAGE ve Endonezya Teknoloji Değerlendirme ve Uygulama Ajansı yetkililerinin görüşmesi sonucu olumsuz karar çıktı.

www.defenceturk.net

No progress after a meeting, neither agreeing on the terms.

Personal remarks: SAGE only provided brochures and verbally mentioned of their operational concepts and ongoing integration progresses on Turkish drones. Some other sources may provide later what was requested by Indonesian party and why it can't be met by SAGE.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr Ikinci: "We made the first exports of OMTAS and UMTAS to Africa and Europe"

@SavunmaSanayiST.com

 

[Khagan1923]

Mr Ikinci: "We made the first exports of OMTAS and UMTAS to Africa and Europe"

@SavunmaSanayiST.com

Europe? There was a post on social media by an Ukrainian soldier mentioning Turkey under the countries they have ATGM from. Was a couple weeks back.

 

[Manomed]

Europe? There was a post on social media by an Ukrainian soldier mentioning Turkey under the countries they have ATGM from. Was a couple weeks back.

Poland was thinking of buying UMTAS for their Mİ 24s.

 

[Bogeyman]

Mr Ikinci: "We made the first exports of OMTAS and UMTAS to Africa and Europe"

@SavunmaSanayiST.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1543201472829181957

 

[Manomed]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1543201472829181957

Those are HAR-66(M27 LAW)

 

[Tornadoss]

Actually, it would be good if we send some of our newer weapons to be battle-tested.

 

[Siper>MMU]

Those are HAR-66(M27 LAW)

Nah its not. AT-4 and C-90 rockets.

 

[Manomed]

Nah its not. AT-4 and C-90 rockets.

There are HAR 66s in the video you can see them.

 

[kenny]

It seems that there are approximately 100 thousand 66 mm Law Rockets in the Army right now. We know that in 2010 there were more than 30 thousand. We also read on the internet that many new purchases were made.