TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Anmdt]

Speculation mode on:
What if the entire moon landing program is just a ruse to test longer range ballistic missiles?
Or maybe its both?

I don't think this is the case, just good old TAF - SSB, we are getting the secrecy we have long missed.

 

[Heartbang]

Fatih Altaylı's opinion.

Fatih Altaylı's opinion worth jack shit. Didn't he claimed KAAN had motors in its wheels so it could do a taxi?

Not so much as it used to be. Multiple warheads can be fitted into the tip and can target multiple targets with precision, so a 3000 km range rocket can still make sense with classical explosives.

The Circular Error Probability would be too high. It would miss 9 times outta 10.
See for yourself: https://nuclearsecrecy.com/missilemap/

 

[godel44]

Fatih Altayli talked shit about Kaan and implied TOGG doesn't actually exist as well. He would probably also claim natural gas from Black Sea and oil in Cabar are also myths. He is the political disinformation he complains about.

The budget of Turkish Space Agency is largely administrative and R&D is mostly from Roketsan and Tusas as explained ad nauseam previously but it still doesn't get through for some people.

 

[Chocopie]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1691008754093793280

I do not for one second believe that this was a probe rocket

Ibrahim Sünnecti also has his doubts:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1690985766611009536

Also taking into accounts its flight path and how the video seems to be cut short?

Canister launched sounding rocket is also uncommon. Could have been made to simplify the launch procedures.
Also a circular canister of this diameter is uncommon. Even cenk has rectangular diamater.

Why did they use a Russian/Chinese-style circular canister like S-400 SAM or DF-31 ICBM? Hmm, looks very sus.

They usually fire ballistic missiles from NATO-style rectangular canisters for Bora/Khan and Tayfun. A sounding rocket launched from a „round container“ is unusual at best.

 

[UkroTurk]

The canister didn't seem to me circular

 

[Heartbang]

The canister didn't seem to me circular

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Looks like this one:

 

[Chocopie]

The canister didn't seem to me circular

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Looks like this one:

You both could be right. It looked circular to me without zooming in.

If the beige canister is the same in the clip than it would have been a Cenk missile test!

 

[I_Love_F16]

I have one question : What anti-radiation missiles do we have currently in service besides the HARM missile ? Yes I know there is Akbaba but some says it is still in development. Also is there a plan to integrate anti-radiation missiles to UCAV like the Akinci ?

 

[AWP]

Any Idea where the Turkish rail gun electromagnetic is at what stage now ?

News from the Chinese navy

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1695331047473402019

It's almost identical to Sahi-209 , the news link below says that the Turkish navy will conduct the sea trials of the 2 version of this gun. It was a 2019 news.

https://www.navaltoday.com/2019/10/...un-sahi-209-to-be-integrated-to-naval-assets/

 

[Agha Sher]

Any Idea where the Turkish rail gun electromagnetic is at what stage now ?

News from the Chinese navy

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1695331047473402019

It's almost identical to Sahi-209 , the news link below says that the Turkish navy will conduct the sea trials of the 2 version of this gun. It was a 2019 news.

https://www.navaltoday.com/2019/10/...un-sahi-209-to-be-integrated-to-naval-assets/

Rail guns have largely been abandoned by everyone. It wasn't really feasible in the end.

 

[Zafer]

Rail guns have largely been abandoned by everyone. It wasn't really feasible in the end.

Coil guns may have only been shelved rather than abandoned. See this piece of video by Fraser Cain.

 

[Heartbang]

Any Idea where the Turkish rail gun electromagnetic is at what stage now ?

News from the Chinese navy

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1695331047473402019

It's almost identical to Sahi-209 , the news link below says that the Turkish navy will conduct the sea trials of the 2 version of this gun. It was a 2019 news.

https://www.navaltoday.com/2019/10/...un-sahi-209-to-be-integrated-to-naval-assets/

We need to figure out how to use this as a surface to air interception system.
It would be an excellent deterrent against F-35s.

 

[Yasar_TR]

The Rail gun has one very big advantage ; low cost of it’s projectiles.
But it has many major disadvantages at our current technological state :
1. It almost destroys the gun’s inner parts after each firing. Needs constant maintenance.
2. The amount of energy needed to fire each shot is so large that only destroyers like a Zumwalt Class can muster.
3. Due to incredibly high muzzle velocities (9+Mach) , fitting electronics to the projectiles that will withstand the g forces, is a big challenge.
4. With current technology levels and lack of platforms to launch to achieve 100 to 200km effective ranges is too costly when compared to , say , hypersonic missiles.

That picture above is not correct as it is also stated in the related tweet that it is only a representative picture.
In terms of our rail gun development; I would forget the Sahi guns. They are no where near achieving the potential results. (we have seen their measly trial shots) . But Aselsan’s Tufan has come a long way and could achieve a result. Still it is a technology that has many obstacles along it’s way. That is why the US has shelved the project for the time being.

Pls see below file completed projects re Aselsan . As of last year they were still working on the project. We may yet see a surprise. At worst it is a technology that is needed in launching jets from carriers. And having that tech under our belt could come in handy.

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Electromagnetic Design and Optimization of a 10 MJ Electromagnetic Launcher - Phase VI: Second phase of the TUFAN railgun project in which a 10 MJ prototype suitable for repeated shots will be designed and tested. Detailed 3D multi-physics FEA models are developed to obtain electrical, mechanical force, and thermal characteristics of the railgun.| |2022-2024| ASELSAN SST | Electromagnetic Design and Optimization of a 10 MJ Electromagnetic Launcher - Phase VI: Second phase of the TUFAN railgun project in which a 10 MJ prototype suitable for repeated shots will be designed and tested. Detailed 3D multi-physics FEA models are developed to obtain electrical, mechanical force, and thermal characteristics of the railgun.|

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Projects

keysan.me

 

[Kaan Azman]

What if METE missiles were enlarged a bit more for longer range and space for an effective enough shaped charge warhead and later on put inside a simplistic multi launcher? It could allow infantry to defend themselves against technicals, enemy snipers, light armored vehicles and conduct attacks against mortar/atgm positions, lightly protected buildings etc.

 

[Bayraktar TB2]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1696096674425291261

Tolun lands it's first export contract for the Bayraktar Akıncı platform.

 

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Can this bad boy penetrate F-35 bunkers?

 

[UkroTurk]

 

[Radonsider]

Fatih Altaylı "Ay’a gideceğiz" yalanını ortaya çıkardı. Verdiği bilgi "Güler misin ağlar mısın" dedirtti

2018'de kurulmasından bu yana milyonlar harcamak dışında somut bir çalışma yapmayan Türkiye Uzay Ajansı'na Fatih Altaylı, "Burada mesele bilim değil. Mesele göz boyamak, mesele hayal satmak" ifadeleriyle tepki gösterdi.

www.google.com

The relevant minister said that we will make a soft landing on the Moon. The budget of the Turkish Space Agency is 59 million dollars. For the sake of comparison, NASA's 2023 budget is $25.5 billion, while the European Space Agency, which has no intention of going to the Moon, ESA's budget is $7.2 billion. We all know that the issue here is not science. It's about glamorizing, it's about selling dreams."

TUA is just the umbrella organisation

 

[Kaan Azman]

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I have models for all of the missiles there aside from SİPER B2, I have been thinking about a side-by-side comparision for the past few hours.

 

[UkroTurk]

I have models for all of the missiles there aside from SİPER B2, I have been thinking about a side-by-side comparision for the past few hours.

Please add there Gökdoğan Bozdoğan SAMs since they are used in Gökdemir AD systems.