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Associate Professor of the University of Illinois. This is how Magdi Ragheb showed why hydrogen fuel technology should be used in Screamjet engines.

The difficulty of using liquid fuel hydrogen is common knowledge
Therefore, solid fuel hydrogen technology will be of great benefit to us in this regard.

In an article from METU, the storage of Hydrogen as solid at room temperature was explained.
 

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I don't know when we will develop the National Hypersonic Wind Tunnel project. However, friends who like to master technical details can examine NATO's models developed on the subject. In addition, Tübitak Space had modeled heat management in hypersonic gliding vehicles with the THOR project from 2013 to the end of 2015.

Flow Characterization and Modeling of Hypersonic Wind Tunnels
 

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bro what are the advantages other than range and being more stealth?
How about if supported with a turbofan engine, 1000-2000 km range?
It won’t be stealth. In fact it will be more detectable by radars due to its jet engine. But the standard jdam is 25000 dollars. Winged version is a little more expensive at around 45000 dollars. Probably Engined version will be well in excess of couple of hundred thousand dollars. But still much cheaper than a million dollar cruise missile.
 

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Correction: We will use Borofen technology to store hydrogen for use in hydrogen fuel in Superelectronics, supercapacitors, screamjet engines.
For ceramics that can withstand high temperatures, we will need to use Thorium Oxide technology.
(for more information page 20)
General Electric Global Research

By: Dr. Grigorii L. Soloveichik, Material Matters 2007

Metal Borohydrides as Hydrogen Storage Materials​


 

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General Electric Global Research

By: Dr. Grigorii L. Soloveichik, Material Matters 2007

Metal Borohydrides as Hydrogen Storage Materials​


Catalytic hydrolysis of hydrazine borane for chemical hydrogen storage: Highly efficient and fast hydrogen generation system at room temperature - 29 December 2010
 

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How about if supported with a turbofan engine, 1000-2000 km range?
It won’t be stealth. In fact it will be more detectable by radars due to its jet engine. But the standard jdam is 25000 dollars. Winged version is a little more expensive at around 45000 dollars. Probably Engined version will be well in excess of couple of hundred thousand dollars. But still much cheaper than a million dollar cruise missile.
why should jet engine make it more detectable in radar? i think no connection there.. but it an be detected with thermal camera..
if you put a jet engine, it become a cruise missiles.. i would rather make a new design that sticking to old huge bomb.
if USA makes it doesnt mean its a good idea, sometimes they make it to get the project and got an excuse why it was choosen.. US bribery ;)
 

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why should jet engine make it more detectable in radar? i think no connection there.. but it an be detected with thermal camera..
if you put a jet engine, it become a cruise missiles.. i would rather make a new design that sticking to old huge bomb.
if USA makes it doesnt mean its a good idea, sometimes they make it to get the project and got an excuse why it was choosen.. US bribery ;)
Jet engine itself does not make it more detectable to radars. But due to its higher speeds, it would make the “missile” more visible to radars, and it would be seen as a cruise missile rather than a slow gliding bomb. I should have made it clearer.
Then of course as you pointed out it would be visible to thermal cameras. But it would be detected long before thermal cameras, but by radars. However as it is much cheaper than a fully fledged cruise missile it can be dispensable or even better, it can be sent in multiples to saturate target.
US made it because in stead of a 1.5 million dollar jasm-er they were going to use a 200-250 thousand dollar smart bomb.
 
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Speed would also be higher with an engine which leaves a smaller reaction time.
At subsonic speeds coming from 1000km away it would take 50 minutes also at high altitude, the speed advantage would be nullified I am afraid.
 

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At subsonic speeds coming from 1000km away it would take 50 minutes also at high altitude, the speed advantage would be nullified I am afraid.
Save some fuel for the terminal stage and you will be good. Unless you will jettison the engine or you can't ration the fuel that is. A small missile won't be detected from that far away by a radar, and speeding up when it gets closer to detecting range or maneuvering to get under the radar and speeding to get to the target fast can give some advantage.
 
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Save some fuel for the terminal stage and you will be good. Unless you will jettison the engine or you can't ration the fuel that is. A small missile won't be detected from that far away by a radar, and speeding up when it gets closer to detecting range or maneuvering to get under the radar and speeding to get to the target fast can give some advantage.
A 2000lb powered jdam is as big if not bigger than a JASM cruise missile. ( jdam without engine is 4m long. jASM is 4.5m long.) look at the size and length of the powered jdam’s engine compartment.
If a radar can detect a JASM cruise missile it will definitely detect a powered Jdam too.

Main idea of these powered jdams were to bankrupt the enemy by sending multiple cheap cruise missiles, for them to shoot down with million dollar AD missiles. If one or two gets through that is a also a bonus.
 
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A 2000lb powered jdam is as big if not bigger than a JASM cruise missile. ( jdam without engine is 4m long. jASM is 4.5m long.) look at the size and length of the powered jdam’s engine compartment.
If a radar can detect a JASM cruise missile it will definitely detect a powered Jdam too.

Main idea of these powered jdams were to bankrupt the enemy by sending multiple cheap cruise missiles, for them to shoot down with million dollar AD missiles. If one or two gets through that is a also a bonus.
Entire point of LGK -HGK (ER) as you said.
Cheap, smart with simple guidance.
The missile to intercept this bomb will be far expensive than the bomb.
It can not do terrain hugging but still can follow a pre-determined route taking advantage of the terrain.
The propulsion may go off in terminal stage, it can go into the glide mode. So entire point of propulsion is to make it maneuver through waypoints, fired from greater distances to not risk the launch platform and moreover be launched from slower platforms -UAVs.
Probably radar or IR footprint is not the major concern for this bomb.
 

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A couple questions:

Those kits make dumb bombs smarter, more precise and give them range. Is that correct?
And those kits a cheaper than a cruise missile?

What is the advantage of a cruise missile? I guess that it can be launched from any sort of plattforms while the others have to be dropped by an aircraft?
 

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A couple questions:

Those kits make dumb bombs smarter, more precise and give them range. Is that correct?
And those kits a cheaper than a cruise missile?

What is the advantage of a cruise missile? I guess that it can be launched from any sort of plattforms while the others have to be dropped by an aircraft?

These kits generally have a fairly short range, and are nowhere near as versatile and feature rich as cruise missiles. However they are much cheaper.

Cruise missiles can hug the land/sea for hundreds or even thousands of kilometres. They can fly low at around 50/100 meters above ground, allowing them to remain undetected, particular useful if they use mountains and other geographic features as cover against enemy radar.

I'm guessing that the powered JDAM mentioned above will simply extend the range of current JDAMs, but without the terrain-skimming ability of cruise missiles.
 

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A couple questions:

Those kits make dumb bombs smarter, more precise and give them range. Is that correct?
And those kits a cheaper than a cruise missile?

What is the advantage of a cruise missile? I guess that it can be launched from any sort of plattforms while the others have to be dropped by an aircraft?
i guess the difference would be they will go terrain hugging mode to hide itself from enemy radars, but these will be cheap version of it.. mostly fly as high as possible with low power jet engine so hit as far as possible.. also, not all countries able to defend itself from these missiles, look at last 3 war, Syria, Libya, Karabagh, all of these wouldnt be able to shoot down a KGK, so it would be heaper and more targets...
 
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