TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

boredaf

Contributor
Messages
1,092
Solutions
1
Reactions
11 3,026
Nation of residence
United Kingdom
Nation of origin
Turkey
Wing integration into TEBER Guidance Kit


"A design change was made in the TEBER Guidance Kit, which makes the Mk-81 and Mk-82 type aircraft bombs used by the Turkish Air Force smart. TEBER, which previously consisted of wings on the tail, a 'shirt' surrounding the bomb, and a laser seeker head at the tip, now also has one wing on the body. The wings will facilitate the use of TEBER by UAVs.

It is emphasized that TEBER's manoeuvrability has increased with the wing integration and that it will perform much better, especially in firing profiles requiring high G traction. TEBER can be used by fighter jets, various fixed-wing aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles; It has a semi-active laser seeker head, global positioning system and inertial navigation system."

Not exactly a smart munition, but effective, cheap and easy to produce. A Mk-81 with TEBER wouldn't even be half as expensive as MAM-L with 3 times more punch, great option for Aksungur and Akıncı to have.
 

Osman

Committed member
Messages
257
Reactions
2 486
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
What do you mean by "not exactly a smart munition"?

A munition with triple guidance (laser+ins+gps) is a real smart munition
 

boredaf

Contributor
Messages
1,092
Solutions
1
Reactions
11 3,026
Nation of residence
United Kingdom
Nation of origin
Turkey
What do you mean by "not exactly a smart munition"?

A munition with triple guidance (laser+ins+gps) is a real smart munition
Eh, I wouldn't call 90's tech slapped on 60's bomb a smart munition, but personal preference, you do you mate. It's a guided bomb, not exactly high tech.
 

Yasar_TR

Experienced member
Staff member
Administrator
Messages
3,103
Reactions
126 15,235
Nation of residence
United Kingdom
Nation of origin
Turkey
By definition a “smart bomb” is a precision guided bomb that falls on it’s target solely with force of gravity.

A 2000 lb MK84 bomb carries 429kg of Tritonal (20% Aluminium 80% TNT) high explosives. Any other munition that can deliver that amount of explosives with precision guidance are either ballistic or large cruise missiles powered by jet engines. And they are in excess of a million dollar mark. With no more than 30 thousand dollars in cost a “smart bomb” like a JDAM is a no brainier.

A KGK OR HGK kit creates a smart bomb out of a dumb bomb, irrespective of what decade it was built originally.

LGK-82, HGK-84, KGK-82, TEBER-82 laser guided bombs; ASELSAN Miniature Bomb  and Gökdoğan-Bozdoğan Air-to-Air missiles of Turkish Air Force shown at  Saha Expo 2022 fair, with Bayraktar TB2 and Akıncı UCAVs. [2048x1563] : LGK-82, HGK-84, KGK-82, TEBER-82 laser guided bombs; ASELSAN Miniature Bomb  and Gökdoğan-Bozdoğan Air-to-Air missiles of Turkish Air Force shown at  Saha Expo 2022 fair, with Bayraktar TB2 and Akıncı UCAVs. [2048x1563] :
 
Last edited:

uçuyorum

Contributor
Messages
821
Reactions
10 1,344
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
By definition a “smart bomb” is a precision guided bomb that falls on it’s target solely with force of gravity.

A 2000 lb MK84 bomb carries 429kg of Tritonal (20% Aluminium 80% TNT) high explosives. Any other munition that can deliver that amount of explosives with precision guidance are either ballistic or large cruise missiles powered by jet engines. And they are in excess of a million dollar mark. With no more than 30 thousand dollars in cost a “smart bomb” like a JDAM is a no brainier.

A KGK OR HGK kit creates a smart bomb out of a dumb bomb, irrespective of what decade it was built originally.

LGK-82, HGK-84, KGK-82, TEBER-82 laser guided bombs; ASELSAN Miniature Bomb  and Gökdoğan-Bozdoğan Air-to-Air missiles of Turkish Air Force shown at  Saha Expo 2022 fair, with Bayraktar TB2 and Akıncı UCAVs. [2048x1563] : LGK-82, HGK-84, KGK-82, TEBER-82 laser guided bombs; ASELSAN Miniature Bomb  and Gökdoğan-Bozdoğan Air-to-Air missiles of Turkish Air Force shown at  Saha Expo 2022 fair, with Bayraktar TB2 and Akıncı UCAVs. [2048x1563] :
Jdam is also a kit like that
 

Anmdt

Experienced member
Naval Specialist
Professional
Messages
5,249
Solutions
2
Reactions
101 23,493
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
Came across a recent brochure* by Turkish Navy's DPO and it has listed following missiles as part of the AD system;

Hisar-D (that we know of)
Sapan GM-1 / 2
Siper-D

From here we can further deduce that Sapan GM-1/2 is the family of quadpackable missiles. 1 refers to Hisar-D B2 and 2 refers to extended range version of it.

*will take a better look next time, might have missed it some part; as in Siper-B1 might be present in the list and the Sapan family might be actually referring to monoblock Siper-D 1 and booster version, 2.
 

Anmdt

Experienced member
Naval Specialist
Professional
Messages
5,249
Solutions
2
Reactions
101 23,493
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
Came across a recent brochure* by Turkish Navy's DPO and it has listed following missiles as part of the AD system;

Hisar-D (that we know of)
Sapan GM-1 / 2
Siper-D

From here we can further deduce that Sapan GM-1/2 is the family of quadpackable missiles. 1 refers to Hisar-D B2 and 2 refers to extended range version of it.

*will take a better look next time, might have missed it some part; as in Siper-B1 might be present in the list and the Sapan family might be actually referring to monoblock Siper-D 1 and booster version, 2.
 

Kaan Azman 

Well-known member
DH Visual Specialist
Messages
336
Reactions
22 1,325
Age
21
Website
twitter.com
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
I'm pretty much dazzled at this point, they alternate between calling SAPAN a FCS and a missile.

Also, I thought that HİSAR-D was to have to blocks with the second being quadpackable
 

Anmdt

Experienced member
Naval Specialist
Professional
Messages
5,249
Solutions
2
Reactions
101 23,493
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
I'm pretty much dazzled at this point, they alternate between calling SAPAN a FCS and a missile.

Also, I thought that HİSAR-D was to have to blocks with the second being quadpackable
The brochure is made by DzKK, not fanboys or media outlets so it is semi official, and it refers to Sapan as a 'GM' with two blocks.

Since it hasn't caught my attention that Hisar-D B2 was present in the list, i took Sapan family for Hisar D B2-B3.

I will take a look again when i had the chance, i stored it away somewhere in the office.
 

blackjack

Contributor
Russia Correspondent
Messages
1,309
Reactions
7 750
Nation of residence
United States of America
Nation of origin
Russia

250% range increase on land from Roketsan!

— KMC-U Tactical Missile Launching Vehicle was developed based on the KMC, which is in the Turkish Armed Forces inventory and is widely used.

— While KMC will use missiles with a maximum range of 8 km, KMC-U will use UMTAS-GM with a range of 20 km.
Sorry if I am asking to be spoonfed on rather if you have the source or not. I can't find the right thread I think I remember a 20km missile was being talked about here on this forum and they presented a MLRS system with it to be 2 stage rocket. So, was that the LUMTAS-GM missile they were talking about and if so does anyone have a source they presented the MLRS idea about it? I find ATGM MLRS systems more efficient than MLRS launching drones
 

Yasar_TR

Experienced member
Staff member
Administrator
Messages
3,103
Reactions
126 15,235
Nation of residence
United Kingdom
Nation of origin
Turkey
Sorry if I am asking to be spoonfed on rather if you have the source or not. I can't find the right thread I think I remember a 20km missile was being talked about here on this forum and they presented a MLRS system with it to be 2 stage rocket. So, was that the LUMTAS-GM missile they were talking about and if so does anyone have a source they presented the MLRS idea about it? I find ATGM MLRS systems more efficient than MLRS launching drones
November 2023 Roketsan test fired a LUmtas-GM missile hitting a 16km target. This missile is stated to have a range of 20km if fired from an air platform. A 32km version (50km if fired from air platform) of this missile was also being developed at the same time. These are single stage high precision guided anti tank missiles similar to hell fire and Israeli Spike.

There is also a dual thrust engined Levent extended range missile with a prospective final range of 20km that is developed from Sungur. It is much longer and heavier than Sungur and with a longer range. May be you are thinking of this missile.

1718996349233.jpeg

1719009462290.jpeg

 
Last edited:

blackjack

Contributor
Russia Correspondent
Messages
1,309
Reactions
7 750
Nation of residence
United States of America
Nation of origin
Russia
I think the LUmtas-GM missile was what it was since the missile was 1.72 meters in length for the 16-20km range and the 32km range one from land as 2 meters long. I am assuming we might get news for a 100km+ version later if they go the 2-stage route for a 3.5-meter-long missile like a MLRS to destroy moving armored vehicles and helicopters since Türkiye has an abundance of reconnaissance drones to assist such systems being used afar.
 

zio

Well-known member
Messages
332
Reactions
4 469
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
L umtasGM missile can not used from a land platform effectively,because its not standalone sysem, its not slow enough for man in looop,and not a cheap missile to waste it.but it would be very useful for air platforms.We need MWR seeker for this missiles if you use it on atak 2 with its MWR FCR to open envelope for all whether and over cloud conditions.It can also be used from uavs.
 
Last edited:

Follow us on social media

Top Bottom