TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[boredaf]

Roketsan has developed the TR-122 Rocket with Parachute. The developed rocket will fulfill special missions by integrating signal jamming or image collecting heads.

The TR-122 Rocket, which has been used by the Turkish Armed Forces for many years, will no longer be used only for target destruction. By integrating a parachute into the TR-122 rocket, Roketsan has given the rocket a very different concept of use.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1799051007848280566

All these new tech is making me feel like I was in the military in ancient times and got to play with clubs and rocks.

 

[boredaf]

Wing integration into TEBER Guidance Kit

TEBER Güdüm Kiti'ne kanat entegrasyonu | SavunmaSanayiST

Roketsan tarafından geliştirilen TEBER Güdüm Kiti'nde tasarım değişikliği gerçekleştirildi. TEBER Güdüm Kiti'nin tasarımına kanatlar da entegre edildi.

www.savunmasanayist.com

"A design change was made in the TEBER Guidance Kit, which makes the Mk-81 and Mk-82 type aircraft bombs used by the Turkish Air Force smart. TEBER, which previously consisted of wings on the tail, a 'shirt' surrounding the bomb, and a laser seeker head at the tip, now also has one wing on the body. The wings will facilitate the use of TEBER by UAVs.

It is emphasized that TEBER's manoeuvrability has increased with the wing integration and that it will perform much better, especially in firing profiles requiring high G traction. TEBER can be used by fighter jets, various fixed-wing aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles; It has a semi-active laser seeker head, global positioning system and inertial navigation system."

Not exactly a smart munition, but effective, cheap and easy to produce. A Mk-81 with TEBER wouldn't even be half as expensive as MAM-L with 3 times more punch, great option for Aksungur and Akıncı to have.

 

[Osman]

What do you mean by "not exactly a smart munition"?

A munition with triple guidance (laser+ins+gps) is a real smart munition

 

[boredaf]

What do you mean by "not exactly a smart munition"?

A munition with triple guidance (laser+ins+gps) is a real smart munition

Eh, I wouldn't call 90's tech slapped on 60's bomb a smart munition, but personal preference, you do you mate. It's a guided bomb, not exactly high tech.

 

[Yasar_TR]

By definition a “smart bomb” is a precision guided bomb that falls on it’s target solely with force of gravity.

A 2000 lb MK84 bomb carries 429kg of Tritonal (20% Aluminium 80% TNT) high explosives. Any other munition that can deliver that amount of explosives with precision guidance are either ballistic or large cruise missiles powered by jet engines. And they are in excess of a million dollar mark. With no more than 30 thousand dollars in cost a “smart bomb” like a JDAM is a no brainier.

A KGK OR HGK kit creates a smart bomb out of a dumb bomb, irrespective of what decade it was built originally.

 

[uçuyorum]

By definition a “smart bomb” is a precision guided bomb that falls on it’s target solely with force of gravity.

A 2000 lb MK84 bomb carries 429kg of Tritonal (20% Aluminium 80% TNT) high explosives. Any other munition that can deliver that amount of explosives with precision guidance are either ballistic or large cruise missiles powered by jet engines. And they are in excess of a million dollar mark. With no more than 30 thousand dollars in cost a “smart bomb” like a JDAM is a no brainier.

A KGK OR HGK kit creates a smart bomb out of a dumb bomb, irrespective of what decade it was built originally.

Jdam is also a kit like that

 

[Anmdt]

Came across a recent brochure* by Turkish Navy's DPO and it has listed following missiles as part of the AD system;

Hisar-D (that we know of)
Sapan GM-1 / 2
Siper-D

From here we can further deduce that Sapan GM-1/2 is the family of quadpackable missiles. 1 refers to Hisar-D B2 and 2 refers to extended range version of it.

*will take a better look next time, might have missed it some part; as in Siper-B1 might be present in the list and the Sapan family might be actually referring to monoblock Siper-D 1 and booster version, 2.

 

[Anmdt]

Came across a recent brochure* by Turkish Navy's DPO and it has listed following missiles as part of the AD system;

Hisar-D (that we know of)
Sapan GM-1 / 2
Siper-D

From here we can further deduce that Sapan GM-1/2 is the family of quadpackable missiles. 1 refers to Hisar-D B2 and 2 refers to extended range version of it.

*will take a better look next time, might have missed it some part; as in Siper-B1 might be present in the list and the Sapan family might be actually referring to monoblock Siper-D 1 and booster version, 2.

 

[UkroTurk]

Sapan GM-1

What does GM stand for? Geliştirilmiş menzil? Or genel maksat?

 

[Anmdt]

What does GM stand for? Geliştirilmiş menzil? Or genel maksat?

Güdümlü mermi - guided missile

 

[Kaan Azman]

I'm pretty much dazzled at this point, they alternate between calling SAPAN a FCS and a missile.

Also, I thought that HİSAR-D was to have to blocks with the second being quadpackable

 

[Kartal1]

Despite intense GPS jamming in Konya Karapınar, ASELSAN TOLUN Ammunition fired from F-16 hit the target with high precision.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1801971117801804156

 

[Anmdt]

I'm pretty much dazzled at this point, they alternate between calling SAPAN a FCS and a missile.

Also, I thought that HİSAR-D was to have to blocks with the second being quadpackable

The brochure is made by DzKK, not fanboys or media outlets so it is semi official, and it refers to Sapan as a 'GM' with two blocks.

Since it hasn't caught my attention that Hisar-D B2 was present in the list, i took Sapan family for Hisar D B2-B3.

I will take a look again when i had the chance, i stored it away somewhere in the office.

 

[blackjack]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1795515094085861816

250% range increase on land from Roketsan!

— KMC-U Tactical Missile Launching Vehicle was developed based on the KMC, which is in the Turkish Armed Forces inventory and is widely used.

— While KMC will use missiles with a maximum range of 8 km, KMC-U will use UMTAS-GM with a range of 20 km.

Sorry if I am asking to be spoonfed on rather if you have the source or not. I can't find the right thread I think I remember a 20km missile was being talked about here on this forum and they presented a MLRS system with it to be 2 stage rocket. So, was that the LUMTAS-GM missile they were talking about and if so does anyone have a source they presented the MLRS idea about it? I find ATGM MLRS systems more efficient than MLRS launching drones

 

[Yasar_TR]

Sorry if I am asking to be spoonfed on rather if you have the source or not. I can't find the right thread I think I remember a 20km missile was being talked about here on this forum and they presented a MLRS system with it to be 2 stage rocket. So, was that the LUMTAS-GM missile they were talking about and if so does anyone have a source they presented the MLRS idea about it? I find ATGM MLRS systems more efficient than MLRS launching drones

Roketsan LUMTAS-GM antitank missile breaks record with 16km distant hi

On November 22, 2023, Roketsan, a Turkish defense company, reached a significant milestone with its Extended Long Range Anti-Tank Missile System (LUMTAS-GM

armyrecognition.com

November 2023 Roketsan test fired a LUmtas-GM missile hitting a 16km target. This missile is stated to have a range of 20km if fired from an air platform. A 32km version (50km if fired from air platform) of this missile was also being developed at the same time. These are single stage high precision guided anti tank missiles similar to hell fire and Israeli Spike.

There is also a dual thrust engined Levent extended range missile with a prospective final range of 20km that is developed from Sungur. It is much longer and heavier than Sungur and with a longer range. May be you are thinking of this missile.

Full-Scale LEVENT Air Defense Missile Unveiled at DIMDEX 2024 in Qatar

LEVENT Missile draws its inspiration from Turkey's SUNGUR missile

www.defensemirror.com

 

[blackjack]

I think the LUmtas-GM missile was what it was since the missile was 1.72 meters in length for the 16-20km range and the 32km range one from land as 2 meters long. I am assuming we might get news for a 100km+ version later if they go the 2-stage route for a 3.5-meter-long missile like a MLRS to destroy moving armored vehicles and helicopters since Türkiye has an abundance of reconnaissance drones to assist such systems being used afar.

 

[zio]

L umtasGM missile can not used from a land platform effectively,because its not standalone sysem, its not slow enough for man in looop,and not a cheap missile to waste it.but it would be very useful for air platforms.We need MWR seeker for this missiles if you use it on atak 2 with its MWR FCR to open envelope for all whether and over cloud conditions.It can also be used from uavs.

 

[Osman]

Both lumtas gm and umtas gm block 1 and block2 will be used from land platforms (kmc vehicles)

 

[Dmr]

Calm, careful, sharpshooter
Unprotected targets
With full accuracy #METE

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1804435203340800302

If I remember correctly the range was 1000 meters.Is it longer when launched from air?

 

[Afif]

Calm, careful, sharpshooter
Unprotected targets
With full accuracy #METE

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1804435203340800302

I am suspicious if it would be economically efficient. Too small to penetrate armor. Too fancy (and costly) to kill infantry.