TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Spook]

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This would be perfect for TB2 and Anka, shooting down other un/manned aircraft!

Safe to say now that, this was Akdogan

 

[CAN_TR]

Tozkoparan concept will be a more "shortranged" based airdefence missile, "really agile", "cost effective" and part of the multi-layered airdefence network.

 

[Pompier23]

Akdoğan

 

[Glass🚬]

We are working on a cost-effective A2A missile against drones. Small enough for Hurjet to carry like 10 of them.

That sounds interesting

 

[Spook]

That sounds interesting

It's a very good concept. Recently BAE systems demonstrated that they can APKWS as an A2A missile. High export potential if it can be easily integrated to various cost-effective platforms like trainer jets. This missile can allow us to market Hurjet as an drone hunter.

I wonder if it can be optimized for slower, lower altitude flying aircraft.

Imagine if it can be integrated with Akinci. Taking advantage of AESA radar and something like an surveillance balloon to cost effectively protect an area where there is a persistent threat. Against low flying drones and cruise missiles.

I think Baykar MIUS is going to be big when it comes this capability.

 

[akrepon]

Tozkoparan concept will be a more "shortranged" based airdefence missile, "really agile", "cost effective" and part of the multi-layered airdefence network.

Could it be for the Turkish Iron Dome aka Golden Cage?

 

[Hexciter]

Akdoğan is the name of mini air to air missile program

There’s a ongoing problem in naming missiles. Akdoğan (gerfalcon) is bigger bird than the others. Kerkenez (kestrel) is a better name if its so.

 

[Turko]

Could it be for the Turkish Iron Dome aka Golden Cage?

İ also think it could be Golden Cage however The director of institute stated Iron Dome was too inefficient for Turkey.

So that we should understand Golden Cage will be much more different than Iron Dome.

 

[Oublious]

This is a tribute to @Gurcan Okumus, you should ask him to join Defencehub.

 

[Brave Janissary]

Turkey needs 100-120 km quadpackable and anti aircraft concantrated missile. Just because our possible rivals have thousands fighter which have anti ship missile capability. First tf-2000 will not come before 2027. God knows 4 of them will come which date. Yes we can integrate sipers to our ships but siper very long ranged and anti balistic capable missile so fir that reason its very bigger for quadpack capabilty. Without quadpack capabilty vls capability of our ship doesnt enough regular aaw capability.

So in the basic we need tight possibly quadpackable anti aircraft concantrated ( so thats mean they havent terminal iir guide or pif paf thrusters, kill vehicle warhead . Only active radar guidance + data link until mid course+ classic proximity fuze warhead.

İn the basic quadpackable version of sea launched 100 km ranged akdogan faz 2 or g-40.

That kind of missile can be convert our older ships to valuableair defence ships. Gabya's can be carry 16 essm/16 tozkoparan. Barbaros track 1 also. Track 2 and i class can be carry 32 g-40/essm + 32x Tozkoparan.

Our ships old but they ares carry modern radars like smart-s mk2(dont forget frenchs launch aster-30 with herakles radar a similar radar to smart-s mk2 . ) And also our ships are carrying modern combat managment systems like genesis.

İn the end wee need a missile againts air launched harpoon, gabriel, exoceet carriable aircrafts on our ships and I hope tozkoparan will be a missile like that.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1396163042145099778

Very nice. Thermobaric warhead.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Gürcan OKUMUŞ openly said that TOZKOPARAN is a cost effective air defence missile program that they are working on as a part of the Siper Project but It will be shorter range.

Later, he said that it isn't certain yet if Tozkoparan will be based on G40 or Siper.

 

[Khagan1923]

How has G40 not yet been requested?! We need an ESSM replacement going forward. This project should have been greenlit in 2019 already.

 

[Anmdt]

How has G40 not yet been requested?! We need an ESSM replacement going forward. This project should have been greenlit in 2019 already.

Politics,
I want to hope G40 and other missile projects won't experience the same fate as Toros artillery rocket project.
Gurcan Okumus had to say those projects loud out in multiple interviews and intentionally, so that those projects won't be sacrificed in favor of another political decision.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

How has G40 not yet been requested?! We need an ESSM replacement going forward. This project should have been greenlit in 2019 already.

I believe the institute officials don't want to disclose each details about programs so they are creating an unknown part or likely scenarios in their statements. You can see this situation in their speeches. Recent weeks, He stated that they were still working on ramjet test facility but yesterday, he said that this infrastructure investment was completed and more than 100 Ramjet engine tests were carried out.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Btw, First I class will get MIDLAS VLS and Cenk radar. Integrating a foreign missile to your own VLS and making them to communicate with your own radars require special permission and additional workload in this politic climate so I don't suppose ESSM will be a solution for new produced Turkish warships anymore.I believe Hisar-Rf (~18km altitude) and quad pack G40 (12+km altitude) will be the main medium range missiles of Turkish Navy.

 

[Khagan1923]

Btw, First I class will get MIDLAS VLS and Cenk radar. Integrating a foreign missile to your own VLS and making them to communicate with your own radars require special permission and additional workload in this politic climate so I don't suppose ESSM will be a solution for new produced Turkish warships anymore.I believe Hisar-Rf (~18km altitude) and quad pack G40 (12+km altitude) will be the main medium range missiles of Turkish Navy.

What about Hisar-U. If it gets ready until 2023 could we see a better pairing of G40+Hisar-U.
Would the Navy go for G40+Hisar-RF seeing how their ranges should be very similar.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

What about Hisar-U. If it gets ready until 2023 could we see a better pairing of G40+Hisar-U.
Would the Navy go for G40+Hisar-RF seeing how their ranges should be very similar.

I believe G40 will serve as standard medium range medium altitude missile of navy but Rf will have features that will put this missile inside medium range long altitude category. G40 will have a modular quad pack structure with divert attitude thrusters and soft-launch technologies so ESSM missiles will be replaced with G40. On the other hand, Rf missiles will have superior altitude performance so this missile will be effective against the targets coming from long altitudes (~60000ft) where G40 won't be able to deal. We don't know yet but What we name as HisarU might be Tozkoparan as well. If this missile reach 100km range and 70000ft altitude in quad and dual pack, This will also be impressive.
I believe The missile payload selection will depend on totally mission profile and capabilities of enemy. Quad pack missiles will provide great advantages so i think navy will favor them at many different platforms.

 

[Hexciter]

Any one knows the diameter of Hisar missiles?

 

[Oublious]

What about Hisar-U. If it gets ready until 2023 could we see a better pairing of G40+Hisar-U.
Would the Navy go for G40+Hisar-RF seeing how their ranges should be very similar.

TF2000 will be armed with Hisar-U.