TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Fuzuli NL]

According to the Polish Defence Minister, the TB2 deal includes:

Mobile control stations, SAR radars, and simulators
Spare parts
Laser-guided missiles
Training and logistics
ToT in some items

First system to be delivered in 2022, and deliveries are to be completed by the end of 2024.


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@Oublious
First translation on the house.
Please provide English translations to your posts from now on. We can't exclude non-Turkish speakers.

 

[Stuka]

Does anybody recognize this part of a missile

> The Guy who tweeted it is observing northern Iraq and has obtained these photos from a detonated missile.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1397305644496134150

> The User claims that it is the ROKETSAN TRLG 230.

> I have marked the distance to the Turkish border and its within its range

 

[Philip the Arab]

@TheInsider
Does ATMACA still use any foreign components or is it nationalized yet?

 

[TheInsider]

It still uses French engines. Other than that no subsystem is foreign. There are also some foreign component level parts but they are not important.

 

[Combat-Master]

Bozdoğan (Merlin) short-range infrared homing air-to-air missile

 

[Combat-Master]

Does anybody recognize this part of a missile

> The Guy who tweeted it is observing northern Iraq and has obtained these photos from a detonated missile.

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1397305644496134150

> The User claims that it is the ROKETSAN TRLG 230.

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> I have marked the distance to the Turkish border and its within its range

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Tail section of jdam kit more likely.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Defence Turkey: It was stated that TÜBİTAK SAGE would start Turkey's first trisonic wind tunnel investment in 2020, and with this investment, highly critical infrastructure will be established to meet the needs of Turkey. What can you tell us about the Trisonic Wind Tunnel Project?

Gürcan OKUMUŞ: We believe that a critical threshold was passed in 2020 to meet Turkey's high-speed wind tunnel needs. TÜBİTAK SAGE rapidly carries out design studies for the Trisonic Wind Tunnel. Preliminary design studies are ongoing at the current stage and functional design details are expected to emerge as of next year. While aiming to meet the primary needs of our defense and aerospace industry with the blow-down Trisonic Wind Tunnel (TSTT), TÜBİTAK SAGE also continues to evaluate the necessary features for TSTT to be competitive in the international arena by taking into account the budget and schedule targets in its design studies. When TSTT becomes active, it will be one of the most advanced blowdown wind tunnels in the world and will have higher test efficiency compared to similar ones. It will also completely eliminate Turkey's foreign dependency in trisonic wind tunnel tests.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Defence Turkey: It was claimed that KGK-83 munitions were used to destroy a Syrian SA-17/BUK-M2 SAM System during Operation Spring Shield in 2020. Have you received any information on this incident? Is it possible to share it with the public?

Gürcan OKUMUŞ: Considering it is the TAF's responsibility to make such statements, we cannot share any information on this matter.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Defence Turkey: The serial production of the Miniature Bomb, or National SDB (Small Diameter Bomb), which is a TÜBİTAK 1007 Project carried out in cooperation with Aselsan and TÜBİTAK SAGE, was started with the Defense Industry Executıve Commıttee (SSİK) Decision taken on August 11, 2020. Is there a plan to develop a new version of the National SDB with a multi-mode seeker and data link capability like the GBU-53 StormBreaker munition (such as Laser Seeker with a four-level laser sensor similar to TÜBİTAK SAGE CAMGÖZ CG-178 + Imaging Infrared (IIR) Seeker)?

Gürcan OKUMUŞ: The Miniature Bomb project was completed as a TÜBİTAK SAVTAG project, of which ASELSAN is the main contractor, and the "serial production order" phase has started. TÜBİTAK SAGE successfully designed the penetrating warhead in the project. We are conducting some studies in cooperation with ASELSAN for the next phases of the project. We will continue to support ASELSAN under the roadmap of the Miniature Bomb project.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Defence Turkey: What can you tell us about the infrastructure you have for the ramjet propulsion system and your current studies carried out under the signed contract?

Gürcan OKUMUŞ: Using our previously established test infrastructures, we continue our studies on the development of liquid fuel ramjet engines, and we have obtained very valuable results in a short time. Our current stage in this project encourages us to become one of the few countries in the world in liquid fuel ramjet engine and scramjet engine technologies in the future. Moreover, while improving the existing infrastructures, we are also establishing another infrastructure to perform ramjet engine tests and aerodynamic heating tests. When this infrastructure, which has been completed to a great extent, becomes fully functional, it will be one of the largest in Europe. Using the main elements of this infrastructure, we have also determined a roadmap for the construction of a hypersonic wind tunnel in our country.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Defence Turkey: What role did TÜBİTAK SAGE play in the National Vertical Launching System (MDAS) Project, which was announced to be used in the TCG İstanbul Frigate? Will MDAS have cold launch capability? Will the G-40 missile have "quadpack" capability like the ESSM missile?

Gürcan OKUMUŞ: TÜBİTAK SAGE does not have any work share in the National Vertical Launching System project. As TÜBİTAK SAGE, we focused on cold launch technologies. Perhaps this may have been better for our country. Because while MDAS is being developed, if TÜBİTAK SAGE is supported, we can also develop cold launch technologies and maybe combine both systems in the future. G-40 is an internal project of TÜBİTAK SAGE. With the support of any procurement authority, it can be completed in a short time and launched from the MDAS. In addition, new cells can be developed to be integrated into the National Flexible Vertical Launching System developed by TÜBİTAK SAGE. The G-40 missile will be similar in size to the ESSM missile and can be designed to be integrated into vertical launching systems with a similar cell structure.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

For details !

OUR PRIORITY PURSUIT OF TURKEY`S NATIONAL INDEPENDENCE IN DEFENSE TECHNOLOGIES

In our exclusive interview with TÜBİTAK SAGE Director Gürcan OKUMUŞ we discuss significant steps taken to eliminate foreign dependency in various subsystems and material technologies, future export opportunities stemming from products developed for the TAF, thermal battery technologies and what...

www.defenceturkey.com

 

[Hexciter]

For details !

OUR PRIORITY PURSUIT OF TURKEY`S NATIONAL INDEPENDENCE IN DEFENSE TECHNOLOGIES

In our exclusive interview with TÜBİTAK SAGE Director Gürcan OKUMUŞ we discuss significant steps taken to eliminate foreign dependency in various subsystems and material technologies, future export opportunities stemming from products developed for the TAF, thermal battery technologies and what...

www.defenceturkey.com

“TÜBİTAK SAGE expects to use KUZGUN mostly with UCAVs, it conducts a different data link development study based on the platform requirements. Unlike the SPEAR III missile, the KUZGUN Weapon System family has been designed as a modular and cost-effective system.”

“We are also working on integrating the SOM-J missile into AKINCI UCAV. In this way, cruise missiles will be fired from Unmanned Aerial Vehicles to penetrate deep into the enemy line and will be directed by pilots at the Ground Control Station to hostile targets. As one of the leading countries in the world in UAV technologies, Turkey will also open a new page with the UAV-Cruise Missile concept.”

Akıncı also acts as a relay station besides a carrier vehicle.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Gürcan OKUMUŞ: We plan to develop versions of all these systems that are compatible with all the unmanned platforms, especially the UAVs. In the next 10 years, supersonic cruise missiles with RAMJETs, hypersonic cruise missiles, advanced cruise missile variants, missile launch technologies, air defense missile technologies, armored vehicle protection technologies (hard kill), advanced seeker technologies, artificial intelligence technologies, advanced materials, propulsion technologies, and advanced navigation solutions stand out as priority technologies for TÜBİTAK SAGE.

 

[Tsenal]

Is Gökdoğan using AESA radar?

 

[Spook]

Defence Turkey: The Turkish Air Defense Systems Family Infographic previously shared by the SSB in 2018 featured the Hisar-G system with integrated Göktuğ missiles. What can you tell us about this concept? Are you working on a system that can intercept rocket and mortar munitions like Israel's Iron Dome?


Gürcan OKUMUŞ: When we look at point air defense systems used in the world, the most well-known designs are developed from air-to-air missiles. IRIS-T SL, MICA VL, SPYDER, NASAMS are some examples. While an air-to-air missile is being developed in our country, of course, the first thing that comes to mind is to use these systems in point air defense systems. Last year's ground firing test revealed this potential of our missiles. To develop such a system, you need a radar, command control system, data link system, and a missile launcher, and a missile. All of these are currently present in our country, and some of them are developed by us. If requested, we can develop such a system very quickly.

The IRON DOME system uses a TAMIR missile. It was developed from the subsystems of the Python and Derby missiles. In fact, our BOZDOĞAN missile is very similar to these missiles. We are conducting some studies about the requirements of this system and its differences with our missile. The TAMIR missile is claimed to have a fairly inexpensive cost. When we develop such a missile, we will have to compete with the prices. We are working on this matter.


They are working on a C-RAM missile

 

[Blank1]

- What are the ranges of Turkish air to air missiles (Bozdogan & Gokdogan) and how good are the compared to foreign missiles ?
- And how many variants can we expect to see till 2023-2025 ?
@TheInsider

 

[TheInsider]

We don't know real ranges but we know the minimum contract requirements of the air force which is 65km for BVR and 25km for WVR missiles. At one of the recent reviews Manager of Tubitak SAGE Mr. Gürcan Okumuş stated that Gökdoğan BVR missile "easily" passes 65km as is, and SAGE is on track to improve the range of the missile over 100km for Gökdoğan phase 2.

From what he said real range of Gökdoğan BVR should be around 70-75km and Bozdoğan WVR should be around 30km.
Gökdoğan and Bozdoğan Phase 1 will be completed this year
Gökdoğan and Bozdoğan Phase 2 I think will come sooner than expected probably around 2023. (BTW all the talk and hype inside the defense industry circles are about how big IDEF 2023 will be)
I expect a completely new long-range A-A missile with a multi-mode seeker (RF+IIR) which might be advertised in 2023 and comes online around 2025-26.
Gökdoğan BVR, Hisar-RF and G-40 missiles use the same RF seekers. Siper long-range SAM will have a multi-mode seeker so I think it will translate to a new A-A missile.
There is a compact low-cost A-A missile called Akdoğan for UAVs, light fighters, and light attack planes.
There will also be an air-launched version of Sungur MANPADS.

 

[Philip the Arab]

@TheInsider @Cabatli_53 @RadarGudumluMuhimmat
Would this concept work against APS if UMTAS could be redesigned?

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

@TheInsider @Cabatli_53 @RadarGudumluMuhimmat
Would this concept work against APS if UMTAS could be redesigned?

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There's a reason these are all concepts. There are even simpler guerrilla solutions such as double Rpg carrying Decoy, but on the field, slippered friends clash with pick up. You really don't need that much product.