TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Oublious]

Wait for IDEF2023 25-7-2023.


Defence Turkey: Öncelikle IDEF ‘23 Fuarı yaklaşıyor. Önceki IDEF’te çok güzel bir basın toplantısı yapmıştınız çok faydalı olmuştu. Bu yıl da öyle bir planlamanız var mı?

Murat İKİNCİ: Sürprizlerimizin bir kısmını da IDEF’e bırakıyoruz IDEF’te açıklayacağız.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

UMTAS-GM

• Man in the loop capability
• 25-30-40km range variants
• Hybrid seeker (IIR+CCD)
• Larger fin design similar to Spike NLOS
• Attack helicopters, USVs, STAs

 

[Heartbang]

Mr Ikinci: :"UMTAS-GM wing were designed to be larger and openable. It will be a solid-fuel rocket-powered missile. We aim for a range of 25 kilometers in the first stage. Afterwards, we aim to put the 30 and 40km versions on the field"

"UMTAS-GM will have hybrid guidance (IIR+CCD)"

Defence Turkey Magazine

www.defenceturkey.com

This 25 km number, is it air launch range, or land launch?

Spike NLOS' range is 32 km land-launch, 50 km air.

 

[Heartbang]

STAs

What is an STA?

 

[Sanchez]

What is an STA?

 

[Tornadoss]

What is an STA?

Silah Tasiyici Arac? Like Kaplan STA

 

[TheInsider]

Al right guys, let's be real.
These reconnaissance sorites has been regularly going on since the war in Ukraine started.

If USA wants to track Tayfun or CHENK test firing, they can easily do it with their satellites and space based sensors. Or even better, from AEGIS ABM site in Deveselu, Romania.

Sorry, but there is a limit to how much intelligence you can gather with space-based sensors or long range radars. There is nothing that beats on-site intelligence.

 

[TheInsider]

This 25 km number, is it air launch range, or land launch?

Spike NLOS' range is 32 km land-launch, 50 km air.

Land launch. Roketsan always quotes conservative range figures.
Atak-2 can climb to 20000 feet. Umtas-GM will have a longer range when launched from that altitude.

 

[TheInsider]

It seems like the hybrid seeker sub-Atmaca project is axed. Sub-Atmaca will come in two versions (similar to surface variants) IIR and RF but there won't be a hybrid seeker(IIR+RF) version.

 

[Profchaos]

Black Sea should be a Turkish lake. Jam
Anything that flies there without permission

Ok lets go take crimea.

oh wait...

 

[Osman]

Land launch. Roketsan always quotes conservative range figures.
Atak-2 can climb to 20000 feet. Umtas-GM will have a longer range when launched from that altitude.

Yes. They did the same thing while giving ranges of OMTAS (5+ km range) and UMTAS (10,5 km range for first variant and 16 for second one)

 

[Osman]

It seems like the hybrid seeker sub-Atmaca project is axed. Sub-Atmaca will come in two versions (similar to surface variants) IIR and RF but there won't be a hybrid seeker(IIR+RF) version.

There were rumours about RF+IIR hybrid seeker Atmaca since 2019. What do you think is the reason to end this project? costs?

 

[TheInsider]

Development and missile unit costs. It is calculated that using existing RF and IIR missiles and using them on different target sets is more cost-effective. You can't just put existing RF and IIR seekers together and call it a hybrid seeker. It is like developing a new seeker from scratch(well not exactly but it is a bigger effort than just putting them together). IMHO Roketsan will revisit this idea in the future.

 

[dBSPL]

My fav munition in our arsenal.
Is there a problem? Tolun SDBs solves it!

via

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1655499130842513408

 

[Profchaos]

My fav munition in our arsenal.
Is there a problem? Tolun SDBs solves it!

via

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1655499130842513408

Tolun would be a perfect name for MMU.

 

[begturan]

Yes. They did the same thing while giving ranges of OMTAS (5+ km range) and UMTAS (10,5 km range for first variant and 16 for second one)

Guys did you noticed that Turkish missiles allways have low warhead weight while have more fuel capacity but their warhead impact is allways perfect on the target. I think Turkish defence industry have different technologies on fuel and explosive. we allways see that they have longer range and bigger explosive impact! our guys best make nice cocktails on the formulas

 

[babayetu]

Guys did you noticed that Turkish missiles allways have low warhead weight while have more fuel capacity but their warhead impact is allways perfect on the target. I think Turkish defence industry have different technologies on fuel and explosive. we allways see that they have longer range and bigger explosive impact! our guys best make nice cocktails on the formulas

 

[Anmdt]

Guys did you noticed that Turkish missiles allways have low warhead weight while have more fuel capacity but their warhead impact is allways perfect on the target. I think Turkish defence industry have different technologies on fuel and explosive. we allways see that they have longer range and bigger explosive impact! our guys best make nice cocktails on the formulas

Warhead weight =/= explosive weight.

 

[Kaan Azman]

UMTAS is actually lighter than Hellfire and Brimstone. I feel like they emphasize penetration effect for mainstream warhead while reserving HE effect for other warheads.

UMTAS GM might match the weight of Hellfire/Brimstone considering the ROKETSAN's achievement with current L-UMTAS at 16 km. With a bigger warhead as well.

KUZGUN KY is a very fast missile leaving little time for MITL but UMTAS GM can present a larger window for user intervention with a lower speed considering that it will have wider wings.

I am glad we are going to have 2 alternative missiles for the short-medium range regime.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1656671145868029952

First test fire with Gözde on a missile.