TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Oublious]

Its not clear whether they use ktj 3200 or tr40

IT doesn't matter, we ordered something about several hunderd TR40 engines what would be used in Atmaca and SOM. I think every missile that is delivered to Turkish armed forces will use TR40 engine because of export restricions.

 

[godel44]

Any news on whether the range of Atmaca increased with KTJ3200? I remember reading that it would run for longer than TR40.

 

[Afif]

Any news on whether the range of Atmaca increased with KTJ3200? I remember reading that it would run for longer than TR40.

I doubt that, KTJ-3200 has SFC of 1.2kg, while TR40's SFC is 1.1kg.

 

[uçuyorum]

I doubt that, KTJ-3200 has SFC of 1.2kg, while TR40's SFC is 1.1kg.

Exported missile engines are range limited due to MTCR. They prevent you from going over 300km even if you have fuel left. Fuel efficiency is not the only issue.

 

[Kaan Azman]

We should have our own naming system at some point. I have something like this in mind based on first development goals:

XY = Non-Cruise ground attack missiles, X depends on launch platform (K, D, H)
XS = Cruise Missiles, X depends on launch platform
HSF = Air Defense
HH = Air-to-Air
BF = Ballistic Missiles
DM = Loitering Munitions

If a missile was converted for launch from another platform, SUNGUR for air for example would be:

HSF-5 SUNGUR: Ground based
HH-5 SUNGUR: UAV/Helicopter based

 

[Sanchez]

What does X stand for?

Twitter.
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X there should be unknown variable, it'd be changed to (K)ara, (D)eniz, (H)ava based on the launch platform as Kazooman says.

 

[Sanchez]

Per Bekdil, Turkey ordered 300 Karaok systems. If the number of missiles per system is same as the Malaysian tender, 6, it's 1800 missiles total.

Turkey’s Roketsan wins Malaysian deal for Karaok anti-tank missiles

An industry source estimated the contract price at around $20 million.

www.defensenews.com

 

[Heartbang]

Per Bekdil, Turkey ordered 300 Karaok systems. If the number of missiles per system is same as the Malaysian tender, 6, it's 1800 missiles total.

Turkey’s Roketsan wins Malaysian deal for Karaok anti-tank missiles

An industry source estimated the contract price at around $20 million.

www.defensenews.com

Too little.
We need to tape over the "make Karaok" button, if you catch my drift.

 

[Sanchez]

Too little.
We need to tape over the "make Karaok" button, if you catch my drift.

Hopefully it's for the first big batch only. We had procured 600 Eryx systems and 4000 missiles. Entire ATGM inventory is in need of a direct replacement. We only have some undisclosed numbers of OMTAS, i think so far in 2 batches, OMTAS in STAs and few more on Yalman STAs.

Do enlighten me if the Milans are retired.

 

[Dmr]

Hopefully it's for the first big batch only. We had procured 600 Eryx systems and 4000 missiles. Entire ATGM inventory is in need of a direct replacement. We only have some undisclosed numbers of OMTAS, i think so far in 2 batches, OMTAS in STAs and few more on Yalman STAs.

Do enlighten me if the Milans are retired.

I can't remember the source but few years back i read that Karaok was planned for use only by Turkish special and commando units.The rest will use Omtas.
TSK will need lots of ATGM's though if they plan to completely replace Eryx,TOW and Milan in their arsenal.

 

[Sanchez]

I can't remember the source but few years back i read that Karaok was planned for use only by Turkish special and commando units.The rest will use Omtas.
TSK will need lots of ATGM's though if they plan to completely replace Eryx,TOW and Milan in their arsenal.

I remember something similar, but that is simply bad planning and just continuation of the old organizational scheme from 70s to 90s. It won't answer the current woes of the battlefield. Needs to change.

 

[Heartbang]

Hopefully it's for the first big batch only. We had procured 600 Eryx systems and 4000 missiles. Entire ATGM inventory is in need of a direct replacement. We only have some undisclosed numbers of OMTAS, i think so far in 2 batches, OMTAS in STAs and few more on Yalman STAs.

Do enlighten me if the Milans are retired.

Weapons like Karaok and Sungur aren't just weapons. They're also highly unorthodox yet effective instruments of foreign policy.
Therefore they need their own strategic reserves, similar to how one has their own strategic oil reserves. Which means they have to be CONSTANTLY in production.

 

[Terrain]

UMTAS with 1.8m length has 8km range
UMTAS-GM Block-1 with 1.72 m length has 16km range

It seems we have invented new mixture of propellant or is it outsourced?

 

[Afif]

I expect new propellant but that is not it. Did you see how long UMTAS-GM's wings are? Using ballistic trajectory it can glide much longer.

 

[UkroTurk]

UMTAS with 1.8m length has 8km range
UMTAS-GM Block-1 with 1.72 m length has 16km range

It seems we have invented new mixture of propellant or is it outsourced?

What about speed?

 

[Kaan Azman]

It is better for such missiles with complex optic seekers to be a little slower (Which is the case anyway due to increased drag) so that targets can be picked out much better in MITL or autonomous mode

 

[Huelague]

Roketsan has start a summit today.

 

[Huelague]

Koluman wil supply Roketsan with a truck, which can carring 50t. Is that true?

 

[Kaan Azman]

Yeah, Murat İkinci said it himself. I guess it is intended for CENK MRBM launcher in a trailer configuration

 

[blackjack]

You guys are advancing too fast, if my hunch is right this missile will progress to a 2 stage rocket with twice the length and 100km range to track and hit armored vehicles with its own seeker warheads at Mach 3+ speeds as a MLRS system next.

These missiles will than overcome adversary air defenses and even destroy tanks with the current best modern hard kill APS systems.