TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Bilge adam reis]

Any news about gezgin?

 

[Sanchez]

"Saudi Arabia’s GADD and Turkey’s Roketsan continue discussions on a joint R&D project to develop intelligent cruise missiles."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1886458056197693536

 

[Turkic]

There's a new video of Gökdoğan's test fire but I couldn't load the video. Perfect bullseye

 

[Sanchez]

New Gökdoğan test. No details on the scope of the test.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889585571539963908

 

[Bilge adam reis]

where is gezgin??

 

[Samba]

can we calculate the distance gökdoğan travelled?

 

[hugh]

this post about GÖKHAN was in my X feed today. Were these figures shared before or is the guy just speculating?

20 km altitude ~350 km range
10 km altitude ~200 km range
~150-200 T/R module MMW type 26.5-40 GHz Ka band GaN AESA seeker
Launch ~0.5-2+ Mach
Interception ~2-4.5 Mach
Snap up/down ±10 km
RF decoy, DRFM resistant
2W-DL
X band passive sensor
laser proximity
AoA ~20°
NEZ ~70-80 km

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889988167161569576

 

[Afif]

this post about GÖKHAN was in my X feed today. Were these figures shared before or is the guy just speculating?

20 km altitude ~350 km range
10 km altitude ~200 km range
~150-200 T/R module MMW type 26.5-40 GHz Ka band GaN AESA seeker
Launch ~0.5-2+ Mach
Interception ~2-4.5 Mach
Snap up/down ±10 km
RF decoy, DRFM resistant
2W-DL
X band passive sensor
laser proximity
AoA ~20°
NEZ ~70-80 km

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889988167161569576

Guesswork.

 

[Ripley]

this post about GÖKHAN was in my X feed today. Were these figures shared before or is the guy just speculating?

20 km altitude ~350 km range
10 km altitude ~200 km range
~150-200 T/R module MMW type 26.5-40 GHz Ka band GaN AESA seeker
Launch ~0.5-2+ Mach
Interception ~2-4.5 Mach
Snap up/down ±10 km
RF decoy, DRFM resistant
2W-DL
X band passive sensor
laser proximity
AoA ~20°
NEZ ~70-80 km

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889988167161569576

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889991412198105504

Kozan Erkan:
“Before we get carried away, can someone tell me which aircraft’s radar at TurAF we will be using for guidance?
Our MURAD AESA radar is still in the testing phase. It has not entered mass production yet. It will be a weapon that we can use after it reaches success and enters mass production.
Also, the issue is not altitude”

 

[TheInsider]

this post about GÖKHAN was in my X feed today. Were these figures shared before or is the guy just speculating?

20 km altitude ~350 km range
10 km altitude ~200 km range
~150-200 T/R module MMW type 26.5-40 GHz Ka band GaN AESA seeker
Launch ~0.5-2+ Mach
Interception ~2-4.5 Mach
Snap up/down ±10 km
RF decoy, DRFM resistant
2W-DL
X band passive sensor
laser proximity
AoA ~20°
NEZ ~70-80 km

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889988167161569576

Yeah, it is guesswork. Even at sea level, I think the missile will have a higher speed than Mach 2. Even the ramjet cruise missiles fly over Mach 2 at sea level.

 

[Strong AI]

Also, the issue is not altitude

Well, actually isn't it to some extend?
Because air density changes with altitude.

 

[Ripley]

Well, actually isn't it to some extend?
Because air density changes with altitude.

What Mr. Kozan meant was that ’forget about altitude. The issue here is the lack of domestic radar’. It wasn’t a speculation on his part but a fact check.

 

[Sanchez]

What Mr. Kozan meant was that ’forget about altitude. The issue here is the lack of domestic radar’. It wasn’t a speculation on his part but a fact check.

True, and the aircraft. We don't have an aircraft that can actually realistically use Gökhan at that altitude. Eurofighter could, but it won't have Murad. We need Kaan.

 

[Fairon]

True, and the aircraft. We don't have an aircraft that can actually realistically use Gökhan at that altitude. Eurofighter could, but it won't have Murad. We need Kaan.

Even with Eurofighter you would be pushing the limits as it is the maximum altitude and not the operational altitude.

 

[Ripley]

As we were speculating Gökhan, I came across this.

Greece Sounds Alarm: Türkiye Accused of Reverse Engineering METEOR Missile to Build Its Own GÖKHAN​

Greece Sounds Alarm: Türkiye Accused of Reverse Engineering METEOR Missile to Build Its Own GÖKHAN - Defence Security Asia

n a move that has sparked fresh tensions, Greek defense sources allege that Türkiye is poised to exploit its impending acquisition of the long-range METEOR air-to-air missile as a blueprint to secretly engineer its own indigenous GÖKHAN missile, potentially reshaping the region's aerial combat...

defencesecurityasia.com

Edit: admin team, if you feel this post will create political arguments, please delete or move to çay bahçesi.

 

[boredaf]

As we were speculating Gökhan, I came across this.

Greece Sounds Alarm: Türkiye Accused of Reverse Engineering METEOR Missile to Build Its Own GÖKHAN​

Greece Sounds Alarm: Türkiye Accused of Reverse Engineering METEOR Missile to Build Its Own GÖKHAN - Defence Security Asia

n a move that has sparked fresh tensions, Greek defense sources allege that Türkiye is poised to exploit its impending acquisition of the long-range METEOR air-to-air missile as a blueprint to secretly engineer its own indigenous GÖKHAN missile, potentially reshaping the region's aerial combat...

defencesecurityasia.com

Edit: admin team, if you feel this post will create political arguments, please delete or move to çay bahçesi.

Greeks are getting really predictable and boring now. If that was our aim we could have paid Qatar, under the table, to misplace one of theirs ages ago. It's not like France goes around Qatari munition depots counting them one by one.

 

[Merzifonlu]

Greeks are getting really predictable and boring now. If that was our aim we could have paid Qatar, under the table, to misplace one of theirs ages ago. It's not like France goes around Qatari munition depots counting them one by one.

Even if France could check one by one, nothing would change. A well-organized and very large team could examine and copy any air-to-air munition in its entirety within 24 hours. Even down to the source codes!

The munition would then be placed back into the EF-2000 fighter jet and destroyed by firing it as soon as possible under some pretext.

Thus, the French would not have the chance to examine the munition for copying in Qatar. The Greeks cannot even think of this. This is a very surprising situation.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Even if France could check one by one, nothing would change. A well-organized and very large team could examine and copy any air-to-air munition in its entirety within 24 hours. Even down to the source codes!

The munition would then be placed back into the EF-2000 fighter jet and destroyed by firing it as soon as possible under some pretext.

Thus, the French would not have the chance to examine the munition for copying in Qatar. The Greeks cannot even think of this. This is a very surprising situation.

Reverse engineering by copying, never gives good results. The material science used by you and the original will always be different. Therefore you will always hit snags. There could be certain fine critical points that may help design your own equipment. But that is where reverse engineering should stop. It is always best to design and produce your own.

Greeks are shouting at deaf ears. What they are claiming has no substance. Besides, Meteor is solid fuelled ramjet powered. Gökhan, we are told, will have liquid/gel fuelled ramjet engine. Two distinctly different technologies. Our seeker technology has already been tested on Gokdogan. So apart from knowing the kinematics details of meteor that will aid our planes to counter it, there will be very little extra we can learn from it. As you rightfully pointed out, whatever needed to be learnt may already have been done with Qatari meteors.

 

[Merzifonlu]

Reverse engineering by copying, never gives good results. The material science used by you and the original will always be different. Therefore you will always hit snags. There could be certain fine critical points that may help design your own equipment. But that is where reverse engineering should stop. It is always best to design and produce your own.

I fully agree to you. If we go by the Meteor example, let's say you examined the Meteor Missile in 24 hours. The problems starts after that. Especially those with very tight tolerances and requiring long periods of trial and error to integrate into the system, will often be extremely costly. In the Meteor example, this part should be solid-fuel ramjet.

Therefore, instead of copying directly, after understanding the main ideas in the Meteor missile, it is often cost-effective to produce a similar missile from scratch with your own interpretation and techniques suitable for your own infrastructure.

This is probably why we chose nanoparticle Boron doped gel technology for the Gökhan Missile, because we already have expertise on Boron.

 

[boredaf]

Greeks are shouting at deaf ears. What they are claiming has no substance.

90% of their "complaints" and "warnings" are nothing but fearmongering and xenophobic bullshit. Besides, I bet this is because they got fuck all from their talks with Macron, as Greek media reported Macron refused to veto a potential sale.

And Greeks better get used to it. With US becoming more unreliable day by day, Europe will start thawing their relationship with us. They have very little to offer (other than being a nuisance for us) while we bring one of the largest and most experience militaries around to the table, and then as a cherry on top, we bring our military industrial capabilities, both in design and production.