TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[what]

Summary, thanks to Gemini:

Here's a summary:

• Transformation in the Defense Industry: The Russia-Ukraine conflict has shifted the focus from R&D to mass production, production speed, and logistics [00:25]. This conflict highlighted the importance of mass production and logistics in modern warfare [07:19].
• Challenges in Mass Production: Mass production is very challenging, even more so than R&D [09:31]. It requires significant organization to make production sustainable and cost-effective [10:06].
• Europe's Response: The Russia-Ukraine war exposed Europe's lack of preparedness for a major conflict, prompting them to increase production capacities [12:11].
• Turkey's Capacity: Turkey is rapidly increasing its mass production capabilities in the defense sector [15:52]. While there may be some areas of deficiency, Turkey is on track to meet its own needs in a potential conflict scenario [16:10].
• Aslan Group's Activities: Assan Group is involved in the mass production of aircraft bombs, artillery ammunition, and is developing energy materials to convert ammunition into complete rounds [23:55]. They are also working on power groups for land vehicles, including hybrid power groups [27:45].
• Critical Issues in Ammunition Production: Key challenges include the supply of raw materials, especially chemicals for explosives and gunpowder [36:01].
• Astek: A group company specializing in smart ammunition and electronic avionic software, focusing on developing smart ammunition for UAVs [44:12].
• Technology Transfer: Technology transfer and collaborative production with other countries do not pose a risk. Turkey is careful about sharing critical technologies and benefits from the commercial gains [47:35].
• Hypersonic Technology: Turkey is conducting research to develop hypersonic missile technology [50:55].
• Future of Air Platforms: Due to the advancement of air defense systems, it is believed that air platforms will face more challenges in the future [56:31].

 

[Saithan]

Well if you can mass produce and cheap loitering ammo, and follow up with drones. You pretty much got a chance to wipe out enemy resistance before the man vs. man frontlines even reach each other.

We need industrial capability to mass produce like that. And secure facilities under ground as well.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I thought AI ChatGPT & Gemini analyses and evaluations were forbidden in the forum?

 

[Sanchez]

I thought AI ChatGPT & Gemini analyses and evaluations were forbidden in the forum?

Asking it questions that it doesn't know the answers to is still forbidden, as it doesn't bring anything to the table.

Using it to show some bullet points for an hour long Turkish interview with a very important name without subtitles is pretty okay as it is a service to the international users.

We don't "hate" AI, we just think it's not good in the role of creating original thoughts and hampers actual discussion and from time to time straight up lies. Regardless, even as a summary tool it's lacking. It lacks the nuance. It only mentions hybrid powerpacks in passing, while it was talked about 3 separate time during the interview. Makes a typo, calling it "Aslan" group instead, while it's clear even from the title it's supposed to be Assan. It should be used with common sense for light duties, as was the case here, as noone will use few hours of their day to translate an hour long interview to English.

 

[what]

I only used it because I didnt have the time to watch an hour long video, thought others might feel the same way.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

This should not be a reproach, but I think you should allow context-based analysis.

 

[hugh]

This should not be a reproach, but I think you should allow context-based analysis.

the issue is that it doesn't do analysis. it uses bunch of terminology terms to feign competence and consistency. it is extremely useful in many cases but is surely not reliable. besides, without knowing your conversation history(used prompts) with it, we cannot know if the results are genuine or it just went out of its way to extra please you.

 

[boredaf]

At best, the glorified chatbots we have right now regurgitate information freely available on the Internet to everyone. At worst, however, as @hugh stated, it makes stuff up or omit critical information to fit the answer to your prompt. It is unreliable and all it does is get people's minds even lazier than they have already gotten.

People should be researching stuff themselves and if it goes over their head, they should consult an actual expert if they can, if they can't that's alright as well. Not everybody has to be an expert on everything, but pretending to have actual knowledge or understanding because of something "AI", which has no intelligence at all, came up with is plain wrong and only causes more confusion.

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1907819204746580198

 

[Sanchez]

Tübitak SAGE 2024 report. Gökhan is still years away.

"- The preliminary design of the Ramjet-powered GÖKHAN missile has been completed.

- Low-scale production of Gökdoğan and Bozdoğan missiles and their integration into F-16 PO-III and F-16 Block30 Özgür aircraft are ongoing."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1908043571195728079

 

[No Name]

Tübitak SAGE 2024 report. Gökhan is still years away.

"- The preliminary design of the Ramjet-powered GÖKHAN missile has been completed.

- Low-scale production of Gökdoğan and Bozdoğan missiles and their integration into F-16 PO-III and F-16 Block30 Özgür aircraft are ongoing."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1908043571195728079

What didn't they say that they did over a hundred tests for the Gokhan missile?

How can they do a hundred tests if the preliminary design of the ramjets has just been done?

 

[Afif]

What did they say that they did over a hundred tests for the Gokhan missile?

They didn't say that.

 

[hugh]

They didn't say that.

He must be referring to ramjet engine tests. It was shared in 2021.

TÜBİTAK SAGE'de 100’ün üzerinde ramjet ateşleme testi yapıldı

TÜBİTAK SAGE Enstitü Müdürü Gürcan Okumuş ramjet denemeleri kapsamında şu ana kadar 100'ün üzerinde ateşleme testinin yapıldığını söyledi.

www.defenceturk.net

 

[Sanchez]

He must be referring to ramjet engine tests. It was shared in 2021.

TÜBİTAK SAGE'de 100’ün üzerinde ramjet ateşleme testi yapıldı

TÜBİTAK SAGE Enstitü Müdürü Gürcan Okumuş ramjet denemeleri kapsamında şu ana kadar 100'ün üzerinde ateşleme testinin yapıldığını söyledi.

www.defenceturk.net

Yup, ramjet engine =/= ramjet engine missile. For starters, I believe Aselsan will deliver the seeker heads for first Gökhan (prototypes) in 2026.

First real world operational deployment of Gökhan with LRIP units I think is at least 5 years away.

 

[TheInsider]

Gökhan is years away from serial production, but airborne tests with seeker will start in 2026. I expect SSB to release some kind of footage in 2026. 2026 is the big year for Gökhan. I expect LRIP to start by the end of 2027.

 

[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1908152825906892914

UBAS, what a wonder you are

Suddenly making a close air support plane into a potential stand-off striker

 

[Strong AI]

I was going on by what I remembered from old reports and it was around 50 kms back then, which was about the same as AGM-88 iirc. I can't remember what the extended range on AGM-88, but perhaps Akbaba will have around that?

Our defence industry always aims for at least the same performance as its Western replacements. So we should consider the latest specifications of the AGM-88 for the Akbaba Block 2 or 3, even if not for the first batch.

AGM-88G AARGM-ER has a max. range of over 200 km and it has a solid rocket motor. Akbaba with Ramjet propulsion should have at least the same max. range.

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1910992368184021227

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1910992368184021227

Does anybody know what the actual range is here?

 

[mTT]

Does anybody know what the actual range is here?

Technical Specifications​

• Range: ≤ 62.1 NM (115 km)
• Altitude: 0-40,000 ft (MSL)
• Strike Precision (CEP): < 30 ft (10m)
• Guidance: ANS/KKS
• Warhead Weight: 105 kg
• Carrier: GÖKTAN Ground Launch Control System
• Warhead: Penetrating (Piercing)

Physical Characteristics (Excluding Propulsion System)​

• Weight: 137 kg
• Dimensions: 1850 mm x 191 mm x 269 mm
• Diameter: 164 mm

TOLUN-S'nin özellikleri belli oldu

TOLUN-S, ASELSAN tarafından geliştirilen itki sistemi ile entegre, ANS/KKS güdümlü, uzun menzilli tam atım mühimmattır.

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