TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Quasar]

I have a question: Is it true that the Gökdogan has a range of over 100+ km, but that the Radar/Data Link of the F-16 Block 30 to Block 50+ limits the missile to 65+ km because it recognizes the missile as JDAM ammunition through emulation, and this is where the limitation lies?

And that this restriction will only be removed with the Özgür II upgrade?

-Data Link between launching F-16 and missile is only one aspect

-Guess you should take into account the fact that The F-16 and ''other assets'' on for instance the Link 16 network build a tactical picture, identifying targets at extended ranges.

-The F-16 identifies a target and uses the data from the network

-there is no fixed value for the range of data link since data links operates within the line-of-sight of the aircraft

-Therefore Altitude, Terrain and Atmosphere are also effecting factors

-More importantly, dont want to speculate about Gökdoğan and its future but it is a known fact that certain BVR missile variants can receive data updates from other platforms besides the launching aircraft.... to provide extended range targeting. Therefore, theoretically there is Still a chance for using full potantial of Gökdoğan regardless of F 16 blocks (highly speculative statement)

-Yet not just ÖZGÜR but national data link and Network-Centric Warfare architecture are vital

 

[Huelague]

More importantly, dont want to speculate about Gökdoğan and its future but it is a known fact that certain BVR missiles can receive data updates from other platforms besides the launching aircraft...

Best example was the shoot down of a Russian Jet by our F-16.

 

[Sanchez]

Best example was the shoot down of a Russian Jet by our F-16.

That's debatable, C5 and C7 models don't have two way datalinks. That's just a poorly supported claim.

 

[Quasar]

Best example was the shoot down of a Russian Jet by our F-16.

1-two-way data link allows a third-party platform, such as another aircraft or AWACS, to provide mid-course updates to the missile i.e sharing target data directly with the missile.

2- a third-party platform, such as another aircraft or AWACS provides target data and mid-course updates to the launching aircraft and then launching aircraft itself provides that mid-course updates to the missile through the data link between launching aircraft and missile.

so ours is the scenario number 2, yet still a speculation but since we have Peace Eagles most defintly we should be using them

 

[Quasar]

@Yasar_TR what is pulse-Doppler radars Doppler shift issue which may cause problems with tracking targets moving perpendicularly? sure have little idea but if possible need to hear it from you as well .....thanks

was just reading an article about SU 24 case in Syria

 

[Yasar_TR]

@Yasar_TR what is pulse-Doppler radars Doppler shift issue which may cause problems with tracking targets moving perpendicularly? sure have little idea but if possible need to hear it from you as well .....thanks

was just reading an article about SU 24 case in Syria

I am no radar expert. My radar knowledge is somewhat rudimentary. An expert on radars may explain it better. Somebody here had mentioned @Nutuk ?? Also @TheInsider seems to be well versed on radars.
What I know is that almost all radars work with Pulse-Doppler Shifting.
Radars send a pulse to target and measure the time it comes back in. This is a vital measurement.
But if the transmitter sending it is moving or the target receiving it is moving, then the waves coming back can be compressed or their wavelengths can be longer depending on the target coming closer or farther.
Also if the target has a close background that reflects signals back then it becomes difficult to read the position of the target. But through relative velocity of the signals, their position can be differentiated by Doppler Shifting techniques.
By measuring the Doppler rate, the radar becomes able to measure the relative velocity of all objects‘ returning echoes – whether planes, vehicles, or ground features - . Doppler filtering can be used to discriminate between objects moving at different relative velocities.

But if a target is moving perpendicularly, Doppler Shifting doesn’t work as the motion is tangential to wave motion. This gives zero value of Doppler Shift. It may appear as static clutter.
To overcome this the radars use certain techniques that can overcome the non existent signal of perpendicularly moving targets. A parallel processing channel radar and linear frequency modulated radar can detect zero Doppler Shift targets. How they work is beyond me. Like I said above an expert on radars should answer this.