TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Pokemonte13]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2036851335799173254

Looks like the Merceds Launcher Vehicle is now in service together with Tayfun and kara Atmaca.

 

[MonteCarlo]

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2036851335799173254

Looks like the Merceds Launcher Vehicle is now in service together with Tayfun and kara Atmaca.

10 Tayfun's and 8 SOM very nice news. I wonder what is the production time frame for a package like this? I would hope for a week but a more realistic guess could be a month if not little more

 

[Pokemonte13]

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10 Tayfun's and 8 SOM very nice news. I wonder what is the production time frame for a package like this? I would hope for a week but a more realistic guess could be a month if not little more

Production quantity depends on how much the army orders if they order large quantities over a long period then production increases. Only then can roketsan invest in its serial production.

 

[TR_123456]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2036851335799173254

Looks like the Merceds Launcher Vehicle is now in service together with Tayfun and kara Atmaca.

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[Strong AI]

New deliveries of SOM and TAYFUN

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2036850390415630518

 

[Yasar_TR]

Bayraktar Akinci achieves first air-to-air kill with EREN loitering munition - Türkiye Today

Bayraktar Akinci UCAV destroys Shahed-type target drone using EREN loitering munition in first air-to-air kill

www.turkiyetoday.com

Last month Baykar and Roketsan carried out a test firing of a missile named Eren.
This is a very important turning point in slower UCAVs being used in air to air and air to ground combat from stand off distances and a game changer against kamikaze type drones as well as any low flying slow subsonic air breathing platforms with it’s indigenous jet engine.

Eren has shown that it has high precision. With over 15 minutes flight and more than 100km range it can be used against any moving or stationary armoured or non armoured ground targets as well as low flying UAVs including kamikaze drones. Although a price has not been set, it is specifically designed to be economically used against cheap drones as well as more expensive aircrafts.

Akinci finally found it’s ideal stand off attack missile that it can carry in large numbers.

We look forward to it being delivered to TSK in sizeable quantities soon as well as large export numbers of TB3 and Akinci UCAVs.

 

[boredaf]

Bayraktar Akinci achieves first air-to-air kill with EREN loitering munition - Türkiye Today

Bayraktar Akinci UCAV destroys Shahed-type target drone using EREN loitering munition in first air-to-air kill

www.turkiyetoday.com

Last month Baykar and Roketsan carried out a test firing of a missile named Eren.
This is a very important turning point in slower UCAVs being used in air to air and air to ground combat from stand off distances and a game changer against kamikaze type drones as well as any low flying slow subsonic air breathing platforms with it’s indigenous jet engine.

Eren has shown that it has high precision. With over 15 minutes flight and more than 100km range it can be used against any moving or stationary armoured or non armoured ground targets as well as low flying UAVs including kamikaze drones. Although a price has not been set, it is specifically designed to be economically used against cheap drones as well as more expensive aircrafts.

Akinci finally found it’s ideal stand off attack missile that it can carry in large numbers.

We look forward to it being delivered to TSK in sizeable quantities soon as well as large export numbers of TB3 and Akinci UCAVs.

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Eren is a brilliant addition to our arsenal, they didn't mention it but if it can also be used with TB2 and Anka (and I don't see why it shouldn't be) they just turned into standoff range hunters.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

But here one must ask: what is the unit cost of an Eren and a Shahed-like drone?

If the missile costs more than 40–50,000 USD, then it is an expensive proposition, not to mention the additional costs of launching the drone, logistics, maintenance and arming an Akinci or Aksungur drone for a Mission.
A Shahed-like ultra low-cost drone with conventional and commercial GPS and dual-use chips and engines from China, and elsewhere might cost as little as 15–25,000 USD.

 

[Pokemonte13]

i still don't get how they managed to make it so light weight even MAM L weighs about 21 kg and thats just a laser seeker ,Warhead and battery.

 

[Yasar_TR]

But here one must ask: what is the unit cost of an Eren and a Shahed-like drone?

If the missile costs more than 40–50,000 USD, then it is an expensive proposition, not to mention the additional costs of launching the drone, logistics, maintenance and arming an Akinci or Aksungur drone for a Mission.
A Shahed-like ultra low-cost drone with conventional and commercial GPS and dual-use chips and engines from China, and elsewhere might cost as little as 15–25,000 USD.

Only other viable solution is a Gökdoğan, Bozdoğan, or similar a2a missiles as US an other allies were using. Alternatively even more expensive Patriot missiles.

Eren will be a great deal cheaper than any of those. Also you need to take in to account the fact that if you don't intercept those kamikaze drones they will either kill personnel and/or destroy a radar or defence system worth few hundred million dollars. Can you put a price on our personnel?
Besides, Shaheeds are estimated between 25 to 40k dollars.

i still don't get how they managed to make it so light weight even MAM L weighs about 21 kg and thats just a laser seeker ,Warhead and battery.

We don't know which turbojet engine they use in this missile. But at 16cm diameter it is probably a really cheap 15 to 20 minute life expectancy engine like TEI TJ35 with a 130mm diameter and just over 3kg in weight that develops 180N thrust.

 

[I_Love_F16]

Only other viable solution is a Gökdoğan, Bozdoğan, or similar a2a missiles as US an other allies were using. Alternatively even more expensive Patriot missiles.

Eren will be a great deal cheaper than any of those. Also you need to take in to account the fact that if you don't intercept those kamikaze drones they will either kill personnel and/or destroy a radar or defence system worth few hundred million dollars. Can you put a price on our personnel?
Besides, Shreds are estimated between 25 to 40k dollars.



We don't know which turbojet engine they use in this missile. But at 16cm diameter it is probably a really cheap 15 to 20 minute life expectancy engine like TEI TJ35 with a 130mm diameter and just over 3kg in weight that develops 180N thrust.

What about Sungur ? I think Sungur would be more suitable for threats like the Shahed drones. A small pod with Sungurs doesn’t weight that much and can be installed on every UCAV we have, and would be still cheaper than Eren.

 

[Pokemonte13]

What about Sungur ? I think Sungur would be more suitable for threats like the Shahed drones. A small pod with Sungurs doesn’t weight that much and can be installed on every UCAV we have, and would be still cheaper than Eren.

Not sure if sungur is cheaper than eren but sungur has range limitation (100km vs 8km)
The cheapest solution would be cirit but thats also limited in range.
At least we have now different option for different threats.

 

[Pokemonte13]

 

[uçuyorum]

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10 Tayfun's and 8 SOM very nice news. I wonder what is the production time frame for a package like this? I would hope for a week but a more realistic guess could be a month if not little more

Try 1 year

 

[Pokemonte13]

Try 1 year

Not yearly. Most likely a monthly production but its overall just speculation.

 

[uçuyorum]

Not yearly. Most likely a monthly production but its overall just speculation.

Lead time for new orders is that at least, for reference its 2 years for tomahawk

 

[boredaf]

But here one must ask: what is the unit cost of an Eren and a Shahed-like drone?

If the missile costs more than 40–50,000 USD, then it is an expensive proposition, not to mention the additional costs of launching the drone, logistics, maintenance and arming an Akinci or Aksungur drone for a Mission.
A Shahed-like ultra low-cost drone with conventional and commercial GPS and dual-use chips and engines from China, and elsewhere might cost as little as 15–25,000 USD.

It doesn't matter one bit, because it is not going to be as expensive as any other air to air missile we have and it is not going to be as short range as Sungur is and you cannot just judge it by its cost alone but also what it is going to be protecting. Since it has been revealed, Roketsan emphasized its cost-effectiveness and I believe them, this is not that different from other countries are trying right now.

i still don't get how they managed to make it so light weight even MAM L weighs about 21 kg and thats just a laser seeker ,Warhead and battery.

Think of it like Omtas or Umtas with its rocket motor replaced by a turbojet engine and different body and seeker.

 

[Yasar_TR]

@uçuyorum & @Pokemonte13

Guys, just to give you a perspective to your discussion; 495+ SOM missile order was placed and production started in 2013 (albeit LRIP to start with) and the contract was completed in 2019. Roketsan had a 300m2 area for this production line. But since then there have been new investments to increase production rate.

Storm Shadow yearly production rate varies between 50 and 100 pieces.

 

[Pokemonte13]

@uçuyorum & @Pokemonte13

Guys, just to give you a perspective to your discussion; 495+ SOM missile order was placed and production started in 2013 (albeit LRIP to start with) and the contract was completed in 2019. Roketsan had a 300m2 area for this production line. But since then there have been new investments to increase production rate.

Storm Shadow yearly production rate varies between 50 and 100 pieces.

i know that they probably got a second order with the new local input (engine etc). I just wanted to say that these numbers must be monthly otherwise it wouldn't make sense.