TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Zafer]

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This is like 6 Gazap bundled as one to take out a whole base.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051673141244493985

TRT News:

Test firings of YILDIRIMHAN are planned to begin in the coming period.

Yıldırımhan ICBM appears to be a project with prototypes that have reached the testing phase.

 

[Strong AI]

On the first day of #SAHA2026, we launched four new systems designed to enhance the operational depth of our Armed Forces.

With our next-generation solutions acting as a force multiplier for our national technology, we continue to build confidence in the skies and beyond.

CİRİT C-UAS MISSILE
CİDA BEYOND LINE-OF-SIGHT LONG RANGE ANTI-TANK MISSILE
MINI CRUISE MISSILE
NEŞTER SMART GLIDING MUNITION

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051663215461892510

 

[boredaf]

On the first day of #SAHA2026, we launched four new systems designed to enhance the operational depth of our Armed Forces.

With our next-generation solutions acting as a force multiplier for our national technology, we continue to build confidence in the skies and beyond.

CİRİT C-UAS MISSILE
CİDA BEYOND LINE-OF-SIGHT LONG RANGE ANTI-TANK MISSILE
MINI CRUISE MISSILE
NEŞTER SMART GLIDING MUNITION

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051663215461892510

Cirit C-uas is great news, and I can't wait to see the specs on the new cruise missile and Cida. But I am still flabbergasted about the gliding munition with blades. I mean, target moves 1 meter or duck under/behind something and you just wasted thousands of dollars. What is the point? Did Roketsan get some inside information about an upcoming zombie apocalypse?

Also, the lack of proper photos of information cards is really frustrating, isn't it?

 

[Gessler]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051644160906584500

The Ministry of National Defense R&D department unveiled an intercontinental ballistic missile with a range of 6000 km. 9/25 Mach speed

A liquid-fueled BM? Didn't expect to see those come back into the picture. Isn't Turkiye already producing solid-fueled BMs?

Or is this a repurposed SLV concept?

Whilst I agree, Gazap is damn impressive. If it can carry a few of those and accurately disperse them all whilst avoiding interception then I can see how non-nuclear could be viable. 50-100 million is basically the cost of a fighter jet. I guess that's a price worth paying if push comes to shove. With all that said, yes, you're more than likely correct about this being only on paper until nukes are ready.

Well, a fighter is expected to be used again & again. Missile is by definition single use.

Bro, Gazap is an upgraded and glorified MK84 dumb bomb. Its only speciality is being thermobaric. At the end of the day it is a 970kg bomb including its encasing. Total explosive content is around 500kg. It has a very limited effective radius (even though fragmentation radius is 1km, lethality area is smaller. Within 160m radius everything is incinerated). It is a very potent bomb. But is it worth sending MIRV version of these to hit specific targets 6000km away?
By the way, even though missile travels at hypersonic speeds, those individual bombs will be at low supersonic speeds at best.

I agree.

A 1 ton thermobaric would do serious damage in its own right but even 5-6 of them wouldn't totally knock out an entire airbase. Cratering runways/aprons is the most consequential damage as it puts all aircraft there out of commission without even having to destroy each hangar/HAS.

But this kind of damage can be repaired within a short time as it's mostly just civil works-related, nothing too technical. So best done in conjuction with other tactical strikes or in preparation for an air operation to be carried out immediately afterward in that area.

Problem with using an ICBM for this kind of attack is that any reasonably advanced enemy would have ample warning time from a number of sources (radar, satellite, etc), more than enough time to relocate most tactical assets (aircraft, even personnel) out of the targeted area, minimizing the losses. And this is all if we ignore the cost-benefit equation entirely.

This class of weapon is really for strategic (read: nuclear) use against counter-value targets that cannot be moved (cities).

ICBM makes sense as an R&D program that can be brought to the fore if & when nuclear weapons are on the table. Not sure I see the point otherwise. Again, if it's being pursued for pride reasons, that's a different matter.

 

[Bogeyman]

A liquid-fueled BM? Didn't expect to see those come back into the picture. Isn't Turkiye already producing solid-fueled BMs?

Or is this a repurposed SLV concept?



Well, a fighter is expected to be used again & again. Missile is by definition single use.



I agree.

A 1 ton thermobaric would do serious damage in its own right but even 5-6 of them wouldn't totally knock out an entire airbase. Cratering runways/aprons is the most consequential damage as it puts all aircraft there out of commission without even having to destroy each hangar/HAS.

But this kind of damage can be repaired within a short time as it's mostly just civil works-related, nothing too technical. So best done in conjuction with other tactical strikes or in preparation for an air operation to be carried out immediately afterward in that area.

Problem with using an ICBM for this kind of attack is that any reasonably advanced enemy would have ample warning time from a number of sources (radar, satellite, etc), more than enough time to relocate most tactical assets (aircraft, even personnel) out of the targeted area, minimizing the losses. And this is all if we ignore the cost-benefit equation entirely.

This class of weapon is really for strategic (read: nuclear) use against counter-value targets that cannot be moved (cities).

ICBM makes sense as an R&D program that can be brought to the fore if & when nuclear weapons are on the table. Not sure I see the point otherwise. Again, if it's being pursued for pride reasons, that's a different matter.

That's not entirely true for bunker-busting ammunition. The larger the scale, the greater the penetration.
We saw how valuable bunker-busting munitions were when the US used them against strategic targets in Iran. Moreover, the destructive power of a diving ICBM is close to that of a nuclear weapon. The extra deterrent effect of nuclear missiles comes from their ability to cause contamination and total destruction in civilian areas.

 

[Yasar_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051673141244493985

TRT News:

Test firings of YILDIRIMHAN are planned to begin in the coming period.

Yıldırımhan ICBM appears to be a project with prototypes that have reached the testing phase.

That dinitrogen tetraoxide is an oxidiser. Not a fuel. Somebody should tell them to correct it.
Do we know the weight and diameter of this missile?
I had rather we built something like a Hynmoo 5 with 8-9 ton payload with MRBM range and specialises in bunker busting down to +100m depth.

 

[TR_123456]

A liquid-fueled BM? Didn't expect to see those come back into the picture. Isn't Turkiye already producing solid-fueled BMs?

Or is this a repurposed SLV concept?

Not to be taken serious.

 

[boredaf]

Do we know the weight and diameter of this missile?

No mention of it anywhere, only thing we know they said it has a 3000 kg warhead.

And this info card:

 

[Gessler]

That's not entirely true for bunker-busting ammunition. The larger the scale, the greater the penetration.
We saw how valuable bunker-busting munitions were when the US used them against strategic targets in Iran. Moreover, the destructive power of a diving ICBM is close to that of a nuclear weapon. The extra deterrent effect of nuclear missiles comes from their ability to cause contamination and total destruction in civilian areas.

Hmm, 3 tons might be quite less for bunker busting though. Shallower targets maybe (arms dump, storage tunnels & the like).

Kinetic energy will help magnify that but not by much if you want to focus that damage toward a particular direction (downward). Remember, the RV's terminal velocity wont be anywhere close to the peak figure mentioned (25 mach).

But in a situation where there's no other option, it may have to do.

That dinitrogen tetraoxide is an oxidiser. Not a fuel. Somebody should tell them to correct it.
Do we know the weight and diameter of this missile?
I had rather we built something like a Hynmoo 5 with 8-9 ton payload with MRBM range and specialises in bunker busting down to +100m depth.

Yeah, that capacity would be more in line for the bunker-busting mission profile. Per what I've heard, the penetrator version of Agni-5 too will have a similar ~8 ton payload as Hyunmoo-5.

Though ideally, the higher the better. But with a missile there's always gonna be payload limitations.

Too bad no other country has what the US has...a stealthy, survivable way to drop MOP-sized payloads like B-2. Sigh.

 

[Bogeyman]

With an ICBM with a range of 6,000 km, you could wipe Diego Garcia off the map – an island where the US can deploy 8-9 bomber aircraft and accommodate two aircraft carriers simultaneously. Of course, we're speaking hypothetically here, to illustrate the potential.

 

[B_A]

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With an ICBM with a range of 6,000 km, you could wipe Diego Garcia off the map – an island where the US can deploy 8-9 bomber aircraft and accommodate two aircraft carriers simultaneously. Of course, we're speaking hypothetically here, to illustrate the potential.

6000km i guess it can reach much part of China.