Bangladesh Air-Force MRCA Program

[Isa Khan]

If BAL is removed from power things will change

I doubt that. Remember BNP bought F-7BG and tried to sell remaining Mig-29 while cancelling the order for more? At this moment i wonder if we can afford 16 JF-17/FC-1 Block 3.

 

[Afif]

At this moment i wonder if we can afford 16 JF-17/FC-1 Block 3.

Good thing is, we are not buying anything at this moment.

"MRCA program will be realize and twin engine western fighter will come."

I believe in prophecy.

 

[Isa Khan]

Good thing is, we are not buying anything at this moment.

We didn't buy anything good for more than 20 years. There's nothing good in this, it's totally pathetic.

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

At this moment i wonder if we can afford 16 JF-17/FC-1 Block 3.

We will not Buy Jf-17b3 when we can get the better option J-10C for roughly the same price range. Chinese would be able to give us credit on favourable terms for that.

 

[Afif]

We will not Buy Jf-17b3 when we can get the better option J-10C for roughly the same price range. Chinese would be able to give us credit on favourable terms for that.

Believe it or not, we are not buying anything Chinese.

BAF will Wait for eternity if necessary.

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

BAF will Wait for eternity if necessary.

And leave us at the mercy of aggressors

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

"MRCA program will be realize and twin engine western fighter will come."

nai mama and kana mama argument

 

[Afif]

And leave us at the mercy of aggressors

Huh, in a few years this country would be a burden for an aggressor to take over.

 

[Destranator]

Order J10 + EFT on long term deal with staggered payment plans and be done with it.

 

[Isa Khan]

There is another combo which seems the logical option right now.

32 JF-17/J-10 + 24/32 F-50/Hurjet MRF

If situation stays like this then these are the options imo. Probably best to keep expectation low when no govt bought anything for more than two decades and economy is unstable. The main target here is to get some quality, quantity while keep the cost in check. And also the deterrence with balance between East and West.

Many countries are buying FA-50 but the Polish variant will be exceptional with BVR, AESA radar, targeting pod and KAI already have plan to bring an upgraded FA-50. So maybe try getting the aircraft with Meteor, Turkish weapon, Aselpod and Leonardo radar.

I only know Hurjet will be able to fire BVR in future but don't know when it'll come or more details about it but BD may wait for it or join Turkey in joint manufacture/development.

We've now whole facility for Chinese aircraft so not getting J-10 or FC-1 Block 3 will be dumb thing to do. Instead of buying 16 expensive EFT and making another case like Mig-29 maybe it's better if we go for cheaper alternative. I seriously doubt our govt's will power and purchasing capability.

16 EFT will never make any difference against large number of enemy assets and not all of them will be available at the same time. Another thing is BAF can only afford small weapon package. Like one type of SRAAM+BVR+PGM+AShM. So for a poor AF like us those options above could be easier to get and maintain.

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[Afif]

32 JF-17/J-10 + 24/32 F-50/Hurjet MRF

F-50 is not that cheap either.

Poland is buying 48 (3x squadrons) for $3 billions.

32x (2x squadrons) would cost at least $2 billions.

Also, there is the issue of American engine with both FA-50 and hurjet.

16 EFT will never make any difference against large number of enemy assets and not all of them will be available at the same time.

Even just 16 (1x squadron) would make considerable different (if we can get them) and more than enough to shatter the Myanmar Air Force.

I prefer 1 squadron EF over 2x squadron FA-50/hurjet.

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

BD may wait for it or join Turkey in joint manufacture/development.

In the Long term this (Hurjet) is the best option for us. Getting some industrial Co-op would be a great boost in addition to the cost.

Another thing is BAF can only afford small weapon package.

The vast range of Turkish arsenal (SOM, PGM , Cakir , TRL-230 , Merlin , Peregrine , EW systems to name a few) available for use with this platform is a plus point. Even if say BAF were able to afford the European Equivalents like Meteor or Storm Shadow , will they sell it to us ?
You know who will not be sitting idly like our MoD.

32 JF-17

That's not gonna Happen even if BNP is back in power. We can get the much better product (J-10C) , which in some circumstances will be able to hold its own against Rafale. Plus PRC is willing to extend LoC for this.

So maybe try getting the aircraft with Meteor

Will it be integrated to FA-50 ? doesn't seem like the Meteor Can be utilised to its full extent with the kinematic performance of the FA-50.
Equip Hurjets with Merlin+ Peregrine
and J-10Cs with PL-15E/SD-10 + PL-10

 

[Afif]

That's not gonna Happen even if BNP is back in power.

Correct, there is little Paki smell in JF-17, which will drive Indians mad.

Will it be integrated to FA-50 ? doesn't seem like the Meteor Can be utilised to its full extent with the kinematic performance of the FA-50.

The whole point of solid fuel ducted motor is to make kinematic performance largely irrelevant.

Meteor launched from a C-130 will still outperform an AIM-120D launced from a Raptor flying at Mach 1.5 in high altitude.

Equip Hurjets with Merlin+ Peregrine
and J-10Cs with PL-15E/SD-10 + PL-10

Even better if we can gokhan with Hurjet. Will solve the aircraft kinematic weakness.

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

Meteor launched from a C-130 will still outperform an AIM-120D launced from a Raptor flying at Mach 1.5 in high altitude.

A meteor Launched from a Typhoon going 1.5 Mach at 60,000 ft will travel further than than a meteor launched from an FA-50 at 50,000 ft. The performance of the platform still matters

 

[Afif]

A meteor Launched from a Typhoon going 1.5 Mach at 60,000 ft will travel further than than a meteor launched from an FA-50 at 50,000 ft. The performance of the platform still matters

A Meteor to Meteor? yes.

A Meteor to anything else? No.

Here is a basic math an AIM-120D's motor burns around 10 second in single pulse.

A Meteor's motor burns around 40/50 seconds and has 3/4 pulses.

Do you see the difference?

When it comes to Meteor vs anything else, it doesn't matter what is the kinematic performance of the launching platform.

 

[Isa Khan]

32x (2x squadrons) would cost at least $2 billions.

Still cheaper than 16 fighters for $2.9 billion. You still get service center, simulator, whole other things plus option to modify it.

Also, there is the issue of American engine with both FA-50 and hurjet.

That's where the Chinese fighter comes to balance things.

Even just 16 (1x squadron) would make considerable different (if we can get them) and more than enough to shatter the Myanmar Air Force.

Maybe you're not getting to point I am trying to make. Read the previous post again. MAF isn't the only thing we have to worry about and I don't know where you people got the idea that 16 EFT will SHATTER MAF when reality could be different.

 

[Afif]

I don't know where you people got the idea that 16 EFT will SHATTER MAF when reality could be different.

Simple, EF trench 4 will see first and shoot first or could easily jam (deceptive jamming or even noise jammong if we can get ECRS MK2) any radar Myanmar AF got on their jet.

The best thing they got is SU-30.
In 2020 Egypt did a test where they put their Rafael against SU-35 and Rafale easily jammed the SU-35's radar.

SU-30 has huge RCS compared to EF.
And its PESA radar's resolution is way worse than CAPTOR-E. (+it can be easily jammed with new gen DASS)

EF would see first and shoot first. And there is no escape from meteor. (+it outranges R-77 by a huge margin)

And in this conversation old mig-29s and JF-17 block 1/2 are children and should not be allowed.

 

[yf120]

Simple, EF trench 4 will see first and shoot first or could easily jam (deceptive jamming or even noise jammong if we can get ECRS MK2) any radar Myanmar AF got on their jet.

The best thing they got is SU-30.
In 2020 Egypt did a test where they put their Rafael against SU-35 and Rafale easily jammed the SU-35's radar.

SU-30 has huge RCS compared to EF.
And its PESA radar's resolution is way worse than CAPTOR-E. (+it can be easily jammed with new gen DASS)

EF would see first and shoot first. And there is no escape from meteor. (+it outranges R-77 by a huge margin)

And in this conversation old mig-29s and JF-17 block 1/2 are children and should not be allowed.

Are you sure that meteors will be provided/ approved?

 

[Afif]

Are you sure that meteors will be provided/ approved?

95% sure. Because, at this point BAF simply won't buy multi-billion dollars jet without BVR capability.

If you are thinking, if India will try pressure uk or Italy not to provide us with meteor...well they may try, but they don't simply have that kind of leverage on uk or Italy to pull this off. (If it were france with rafale then, maybe they would have better chance)

 

[Madokafc]

I would share a story', you guys should not waiting and doing nothing. If you are not in sure, just Made some back up program so if your main program is stalled you would have some back up planning. Your J7 fighter would be end up as your mainstay frontline fighter while every single of your neighbour would end up operated a much more capable fourth gen + fighter like Su 30 SM and MKI. Thus your Air Force would not be capable to even reach some parity in technology and number.

During Indonesian Air Force modernization program, especially after 1998 economy crisis in the past, in chance we had some spare money we would buy a small number of fighter like Su27/30 and we are end up capable to fielding a full squadron of them after Ten year saving and increment buy. Then we would not shy away to exercise our option by buying second hand fighter and modernized them into current model standard. So the chance come when Barack Obama become US presiden and he is granted us with second hand fighter and we only need to paid refurbishment cost. Then we are able to build a decent number of F-16 fleets in our hand to become 33 units with some spare airframe as sparepart sources or to be activated if needed.

Then come the current era, as Indonesia able to spare big money, we are exercise the chance to hold several fighter tender according their roles, for MRCA program, come EFT and Rafale and as both prices is quite comparable with slightly pricey for EFT, but Rafale won on Multirole capability, lifecycle performance cost and more flexible upgrading options and EFT is much more reliable for Air Superiority and Interception roles with higher kinetic thrust. Actually we are on the Brink to bought both of them as we had three fighter acquisition program running at this moment.

But our Air Force and MoD command after much deliberation and study choose F-15 EX as they are much more versatile platform, greater range, payload, thrust and power compared to EFT. So we choose them for our Air Superiority Fighter program projects. Though in the first place this place is reserved for F35A, but we are rejected so Indonesia chose the next best fighter available.


Third projects is buying second hand fighter for interim fighter project. As the process to build fighter nowadays spent years or more, so we need to prepare some spare fighter while waiting for the article comes to Indonesia. Thus come Mirage 2000...

You see, if you are doing nothing you Will end up with nothing. Built a modern fighter required alot of time and a lot of training to be able to operated them up to the standard. You are waste so much time dilly dallying.