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Why Eurofighter is a better choice than J10CE.



We know both of these aircrafts are excellent 4.5th gen platforms and would give BAF decisive edge over Myanmar AF regardless of which one we buy. So it solve the Myanmar question either way.

However, w.r.t India 20x J20CE instead of 12x Eurofighters does not make any difference on strategic and operational level. For the simple fact that India could put around 100 4th gen aircrafts against anything BAF would put at them. (Of course IAF has several times more aircrafts than that. However there's the necessity to balance airpower with hostile Pakistan and superior China at any given moment. So they can't realistically deploy most of their air assets against us.) Hence eventually all of our J10CE would be shot down even if they tactically put up a good fight and take similar numbers of IAF aircrafts down with them. It won't make any difference on operational level of war.



Now of course, that's only pure air to air scenario. Except in a real conflict it won't be like that. India has significant amount long range IADS capabilities. Including S400 batteries. Which they are looking to procure more. (Even if S400 struggle against 5th gen fighter or ballistic missiles, these are very much lethal against 4th/4.5th gen platforms) Add then there is upcoming LRSAM and XRSAM. (Local version of Israeli BARAK-8 ER. more advanced than S400)

If you simply look up the geography of BD there is simply no space for tactical maneuver in BD airspace where any 4th gen fighter wouldn't be withing engagement range of long range Indian AD if it flies for BVR combat against enemy areal armada.

And you can't expect 20x to carry SEAD/DEAD mission against a network of long range IADS while at the same time facing several times more enemy 4th gen platforms.

Only way to effectively put BVR fight in BD's contest is with 5th gen LO/VLO platforms. Where it will have significantly higher survivability against Indian IADS and will retain asymmetric advantage against numerically superior enemy even if it comes up with its own 5th gen platforms.

Unlike 4th gen platforms which can be easily detected and tracked, hence need to fight with brute force and often defeated in 2v4/2v5 scenario, 5th gen platforms by its nature of LO/VLO offers assymetric advantage (kind of like Submarines. I.e. if enemy has 6 submarine and if you have only two, you still pose a more credible threat than in a scenario where you have 2 warship against 6 enemy warships.) as Enemy's 5th gen platforms cannot detect and track your 5th gen platforms as easily as it is the case with 4th gen platforms of both sides when pitted against each other.

Hence, even if your enemy Fields more 5th gen platforms against your few, you still have relatively more room to manoeuver and put up a fight.

(Of course that is exclusively about combat in the air. However, India with its large missile arsenal could easily strike our airbases and largely put them out of commission. Our counter-strategy to that through IADS and ACE like distributed operation on the ground is a different topic althogather)



Now my arguement here is for the original claim (Eurofighter Typhoon is a better choice than J10CE) is that, it offers more in terms of mastering modern areal combat and transitioning to a 5th gen warfare. (It is about intergated networking as much as it is about stealth)

We know that BAF will be getting brand new Eurofighters. And those won't be delivered before 2030 given the existing order log. Now if you look into the ongoing LTE (long term evolution) and P4E (phase 4 enhancement) of Eurofighter program, you can see what I am talking about here.......

It is almost certain two things will largely be there with BAF Eurofighter. ECRS Mk 1/2 and Praetorian eVo (next gen EuroDass). Also a task based management software update for new sensors will be implemented on existing mission computer to better employ them.

However, the biggest thing on Phase 4 Enchancement cycle seems to be a new unified mission computer yielding a processing power 300 time higher than that of the existing one. Along with large area display like that on F35, and new European high bandwidth data links ( instead of older link 16) that supposed to allow '5th gen' like networking and sensor fusion. (Passive targeting, collaborative engagement) Some of technologies being developed under FCAS and GCAP will be implemented on this new architecture. (Like MUM-T) German second production lot of 20 aircrafts expected to feature this unified mission computer with delivery starting from 2031. BAF has had significant opportunity in this regard (as production of Trench 3 has been concluded already) compared to existing J10CE procurement. Yes, China has the technical capability to upgrade J10CE to similar level. However there is no ongoing program for PLAAF or any incentive from CAC.

BAF could master passive targeting, collaborative engagement in BVR combat through real time advanced networking, learn and work out these tactics and techniques that are integral part of 5th gen warfare (without neccesarily possessing a true stealthy 5th gen platform in the near future) with this brand new Eurofighter. And train with Italian, Turkish and Royal Air Forces to lead a doctrinal evolution and CONOP development structured around superior Western areal warfighting technique, tactics and procedures.

সোর্স: Key Aero https://share.google/v3Z6zNZS6z5XnFKC3


 

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Why Eurofighter is a better choice than J10CE.



We know both of these aircrafts are excellent 4.5th gen platforms and would give BAF decisive edge over Myanmar AF regardless of which one we buy. So it solve the Myanmar question either way.

However, w.r.t India 20x J20CE instead of 12x Eurofighters does not make any difference on strategic and operational level. For the simple fact that India could put around 100 4th gen aircrafts against anything BAF would put at them. (Of course IAF has several times more aircrafts than that. However there's the necessity to balance airpower with hostile Pakistan and superior China at any given moment. So they can't realistically deploy most of their air assets against us.) Hence eventually all of our J10CE would be shot down even if they tactically put up a good fight and take similar numbers of IAF aircrafts down with them. It won't make any difference on operational level of war.



Now of course, that's only pure air to air scenario. Except in a real conflict it won't be like that. India has significant amount long range IADS capabilities. Including S400 batteries. Which they are looking to procure more. (Even if S400 struggle against 5th gen fighter or ballistic missiles, these are very much lethal against 4th/4.5th gen platforms) Add then there is upcoming LRSAM and XRSAM. (Local version of Israeli BARAK-8 ER. more advanced than S400)

If you simply look up the geography of BD there is simply no space for tactical maneuver in BD airspace where any 4th gen fighter wouldn't be withing engagement range of long range Indian AD if it flies for BVR combat against enemy areal armada.

And you can't expect 20x to carry SEAD/DEAD mission against a network of long range IADS while at the same time facing several times more enemy 4th gen platforms.

Only way to effectively put BVR fight in BD's contest is with 5th gen LO/VLO platforms. Where it will have significantly higher survivability against Indian IADS and will retain asymmetric advantage against numerically superior enemy even if it comes up with its own 5th gen platforms.

Unlike 4th gen platforms which can be easily detected and tracked, hence need to fight with brute force and often defeated in 2v4/2v5 scenario, 5th gen platforms by its nature of LO/VLO offers assymetric advantage (kind of like Submarines. I.e. if enemy has 6 submarine and if you have only two, you still pose a more credible threat than in a scenario where you have 2 warship against 6 enemy warships.) as Enemy's 5th gen platforms cannot detect and track your 5th gen platforms as easily as it is the case with 4th gen platforms of both sides when pitted against each other.

Hence, even if your enemy Fields more 5th gen platforms against your few, you still have relatively more room to manoeuver and put up a fight.

(Of course that is exclusively about combat in the air. However, India with its large missile arsenal could easily strike our airbases and largely put them out of commission. Our counter-strategy to that through IADS and ACE like distributed operation on the ground is a different topic althogather)



Now my arguement here is for the original claim (Eurofighter Typhoon is a better choice than J10CE) is that, it offers more in terms of mastering modern areal combat and transitioning to a 5th gen warfare. (It is about intergated networking as much as it is about stealth)

We know that BAF will be getting brand new Eurofighters. And those won't be delivered before 2030 given the existing order log. Now if you look into the ongoing LTE (long term evolution) and P4E (phase 4 enhancement) of Eurofighter program, you can see what I am talking about here.......

It is almost certain two things will largely be there with BAF Eurofighter. ECRS Mk 1/2 and Praetorian eVo (next gen EuroDass). Also a task based management software update for new sensors will be implemented on existing mission computer to better employ them.

However, the biggest thing on Phase 4 Enchancement cycle seems to be a new unified mission computer yielding a processing power 300 time higher than that of the existing one. Along with large area display like that on F35, and new European high bandwidth data links ( instead of older link 16) that supposed to allow '5th gen' like networking and sensor fusion. (Passive targeting, collaborative engagement) Some of technologies being developed under FCAS and GCAP will be implemented on this new architecture. (Like MUM-T) German second production lot of 20 aircrafts expected to feature this unified mission computer with delivery starting from 2031. BAF has had significant opportunity in this regard (as production of Trench 3 has been concluded already) compared to existing J10CE procurement. Yes, China has the technical capability to upgrade J10CE to similar level. However there is no ongoing program for PLAAF or any incentive from CAC.

BAF could master passive targeting, collaborative engagement in BVR combat through real time advanced networking, learn and work out these tactics and techniques that are integral part of 5th gen warfare (without neccesarily possessing a true stealthy 5th gen platform in the near future) with this brand new Eurofighter. And train with Italian, Turkish and Royal Air Forces to lead a doctrinal evolution and CONOP development structured around superior Western areal warfighting technique, tactics and procedures.

সোর্স: Key Aero https://share.google/v3Z6zNZS6z5XnFKC3


You should have mentioned the engines to.
 

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Why Eurofighter is a better choice than J10CE.



We know both of these aircrafts are excellent 4.5th gen platforms and would give BAF decisive edge over Myanmar AF regardless of which one we buy. So it solve the Myanmar question either way.

However, w.r.t India 20x J20CE instead of 12x Eurofighters does not make any difference on strategic and operational level. For the simple fact that India could put around 100 4th gen aircrafts against anything BAF would put at them. (Of course IAF has several times more aircrafts than that. However there's the necessity to balance airpower with hostile Pakistan and superior China at any given moment. So they can't realistically deploy most of their air assets against us.) Hence eventually all of our J10CE would be shot down even if they tactically put up a good fight and take similar numbers of IAF aircrafts down with them. It won't make any difference on operational level of war.



Now of course, that's only pure air to air scenario. Except in a real conflict it won't be like that. India has significant amount long range IADS capabilities. Including S400 batteries. Which they are looking to procure more. (Even if S400 struggle against 5th gen fighter or ballistic missiles, these are very much lethal against 4th/4.5th gen platforms) Add then there is upcoming LRSAM and XRSAM. (Local version of Israeli BARAK-8 ER. more advanced than S400)

If you simply look up the geography of BD there is simply no space for tactical maneuver in BD airspace where any 4th gen fighter wouldn't be withing engagement range of long range Indian AD if it flies for BVR combat against enemy areal armada.

And you can't expect 20x to carry SEAD/DEAD mission against a network of long range IADS while at the same time facing several times more enemy 4th gen platforms.

Only way to effectively put BVR fight in BD's contest is with 5th gen LO/VLO platforms. Where it will have significantly higher survivability against Indian IADS and will retain asymmetric advantage against numerically superior enemy even if it comes up with its own 5th gen platforms.

Unlike 4th gen platforms which can be easily detected and tracked, hence need to fight with brute force and often defeated in 2v4/2v5 scenario, 5th gen platforms by its nature of LO/VLO offers assymetric advantage (kind of like Submarines. I.e. if enemy has 6 submarine and if you have only two, you still pose a more credible threat than in a scenario where you have 2 warship against 6 enemy warships.) as Enemy's 5th gen platforms cannot detect and track your 5th gen platforms as easily as it is the case with 4th gen platforms of both sides when pitted against each other.

Hence, even if your enemy Fields more 5th gen platforms against your few, you still have relatively more room to manoeuver and put up a fight.

(Of course that is exclusively about combat in the air. However, India with its large missile arsenal could easily strike our airbases and largely put them out of commission. Our counter-strategy to that through IADS and ACE like distributed operation on the ground is a different topic althogather)



Now my arguement here is for the original claim (Eurofighter Typhoon is a better choice than J10CE) is that, it offers more in terms of mastering modern areal combat and transitioning to a 5th gen warfare. (It is about intergated networking as much as it is about stealth)

We know that BAF will be getting brand new Eurofighters. And those won't be delivered before 2030 given the existing order log. Now if you look into the ongoing LTE (long term evolution) and P4E (phase 4 enhancement) of Eurofighter program, you can see what I am talking about here.......

It is almost certain two things will largely be there with BAF Eurofighter. ECRS Mk 1/2 and Praetorian eVo (next gen EuroDass). Also a task based management software update for new sensors will be implemented on existing mission computer to better employ them.

However, the biggest thing on Phase 4 Enchancement cycle seems to be a new unified mission computer yielding a processing power 300 time higher than that of the existing one. Along with large area display like that on F35, and new European high bandwidth data links ( instead of older link 16) that supposed to allow '5th gen' like networking and sensor fusion. (Passive targeting, collaborative engagement) Some of technologies being developed under FCAS and GCAP will be implemented on this new architecture. (Like MUM-T) German second production lot of 20 aircrafts expected to feature this unified mission computer with delivery starting from 2031. BAF has had significant opportunity in this regard (as production of Trench 3 has been concluded already) compared to existing J10CE procurement. Yes, China has the technical capability to upgrade J10CE to similar level. However there is no ongoing program for PLAAF or any incentive from CAC.

BAF could master passive targeting, collaborative engagement in BVR combat through real time advanced networking, learn and work out these tactics and techniques that are integral part of 5th gen warfare (without neccesarily possessing a true stealthy 5th gen platform in the near future) with this brand new Eurofighter. And train with Italian, Turkish and Royal Air Forces to lead a doctrinal evolution and CONOP development structured around superior Western areal warfighting technique, tactics and procedures.

সোর্স: Key Aero https://share.google/v3Z6zNZS6z5XnFKC3


Hello brother, just curious—while scrolling through Facebook, I saw many people saying that the BAF might buy old or used Eurofighter Typhoons. Some are saying they could be Tranche 2 or Tranche 3 aircraft. Could you please share your thoughts on this?
 

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Hello brother, just curious—while scrolling through Facebook, I saw many people saying that the BAF might buy old or used Eurofighter Typhoons. Some are saying they could be Tranche 2 or Tranche 3 aircraft. Could you please share your thoughts on this?

Leonardo doesn't sell older aircrafts. This is not a G2G deal.
 

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LOI for Eurofighter??

Absolute cinema!! 🙌 It won't end until we see any jet with Bangladeshi flag. This program's future now only depends on the new govt. Still we should consider J-10CE for a high-low combo. Budget will force us to do so. Also delivery timeline is a big concern. So a single engine jet will be necessary anyway. 18/24/36 EFT & 36 J-10CE sould suffice but more are welcome.

Don't you think the Eurofighter is an expensive aircraft? We bought 20 of them for 8 billion dollars.

Your deal includes openness to integrating Turkish weapons, permission to export sovereign systems & sovereign control of mission data. That's why it’s more expensive. This deal could benefit BAF too.
 

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This program's future now only depends on the new govt
Given that forex reserves are recovering and that we are economically capable, one of the biggest political parties in Bangladesh does not seem interested in procuring arms. Do you think we are going to see a deal by April?
 

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Given that forex reserves are recovering and that we are economically capable, one of the biggest political parties in Bangladesh does not seem interested in procuring arms. Do you think we are going to see a deal by April?

Not likely, it would be too early to give attention on that matter for a newly elected govt. They will be busy with selecting and shuffling people for ministries and other public organizations. New govt could take power in March. Anyway let's hope no one screw this up like they did with Mig-29 deal. 😆 BNP-Jamat were in alliance back then. Even if they screw this deal we won't get any F-7 this time, that's a relief. 😅
 
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Bangladesh eyes J-10CE fighter jet deal as Dhaka resets foreign policy​


Bangladesh is expected to advance plans to acquire 24 Chinese J-10CE multi-role fighter jets during Prime Minister Tarique Rahman's visit to China beginning Monday, as Dhaka and Beijing prepare to deepen cooperation across defense, infrastructure, trade and investment.

"We hope to sign the fighter jet purchase agreement by August this year," a senior government official told Daily Waadaa on condition of anonymity.

A Chinese delegation visited Dhaka last week to accelerate negotiations, while Bangladeshi officials are expected to hold separate meetings with China's foreign and defense ministers during the visit to finalise key details of the proposed acquisition.


 

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