TR Naval Programs

[Anmdt]

https://denizsistemlerisemineri.com/extras/10DSS.pdf

There is more to hear from Naval systems seminar, day 2 is nice.

 

[Combat-Master]

Thanks to @Defence Turkey

 

[Cabatli_TR]

It seems Tf2000 prototype construction contract will be signed in 2022.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1460528520526970884

 

[Quasar]

It has been stated that the TCG Istanbul (F-515) Frigate, which will be delivered in 2023, will have a 16-cell National Vertical Launch System (MIDLAS), which Roketsan continues to develop, instead of the Mk41 VLS Vertical Launch System, and both HİSAR and ESSM (Evolved SeaSparrow Missile) missiles will be used together.

TCG İstanbul Firkateyninde HİSAR ve ESSM Füzeleri Beraber Kullanılacak

www.defenceturkey.com

as in the case of South Korea USA is not providing any US missiles for foreign designed VLS, their policy is US VLS and US missiles only so far.for instance South Korea had to go for a hybrid solution; they use US VLS with US missile and for their own designed VLS they use their home grown missiles in KDX-III AEGIS Destroyers, total 80 Mk 41 vertical launch cells 48 + 32 for US missiles mainly SM 2 Block IIIA and IIIB to be exact and 48 K - VLS (Korean VLS) cells which are dedicated to Korean missiles. MIDLAS litterly means national missiles only which is fantastic anyway.

 

[Yasar_TR]

as in the case of South Korea USA is not providing any US missiles for foreign designed VLS, their policy is US VLS and US missiles only so far.for instance South Korea had to go for a hybrid solution; they use US VLS with US missile and for their own designed VLS they use their home grown missiles. MIDLAS litterly means national missiles only which is fantastic anyway.

My understanding on the Midlas system was such that no foreign missiles would be compatible with it. Likewise no Turkish vertically launched missile would be compatible with foreign VLS system either.
So this notion of ESSM and Siper co-usage in locally produced VLS system, seems a bit erroneous to me.
On the ESSM side of things, we are co producers and developers of this system; Both block 1 and block 2. If there were an embargo on it, then they will have to kick us out of this consortium as well. Also having got the expertise in such missile developments, we could probably produce that missile or it’s alternative at Roketsan or at Tubitak Sage.

 

[Anmdt]

My understanding on the Midlas system was such that no foreign missiles would be compatible with it. Likewise no Turkish vertically launched missile would be compatible with foreign VLS system either.
So this notion of ESSM and Siper co-usage in locally produced VLS system, seems a bit erroneous to me.
On the ESSM side of things, we are co producers and developers of this system; Both block 1 and block 2. If there were an embargo on it, then they will have to kick us out of this consortium as well. Also having got the expertise in such missile developments, we could probably produce that missile or it’s alternative at Roketsan or at Tubitak Sage.

The figure was provided by Aselsan, and since the beginning of the project they were responsible with the ESSM integration (on weapon systems), thus they might be still referring to the weapon control system as ESSM controller. It could be a confusion, also it may not be if they manage to get ESSM consoles and pull a string from VLS to the control suite dedicated to ESSM controller. If the shell is 1 to 1 compatible this can be done. But it means whenever they want to change address of the VLS (ESSM or Hisar/Siper/G40 controller) they will need to change the "plug". It will require some modification each time or they will dedicate 8 VLS for ESSM, 8 for Siper et al. This is only valid if MIDLAS is 1 to 1 copy of the Mk41 structure and layout wise.

 

[Anmdt]

Thats what we talked about, last time.

I didn't mean that message to Sunnetci by the way, my ranting is to the people who keeps talking about embargoes as being defence experts in youtube/twitter without knowing how things run inside the project. Sunnetci here, clarified my point as well so i appreciate he asked about this to an authority and posted it.

 

[Anmdt]

Future Turkish submarine flotilla will be likely formed as this:

MilDen 2500+ tonnes class submarine (design not concluded) , AIP (or Li-Ion)
TS-1700 or equivalent 1500+ tonnes class submarine , Li-Ion
STM500 (or an equivalent unmanned platform of 200-300 tonnes) , Li-Ion
L-UUV (20+ tonnes) to be launched from Milden, Li-Ion
M-UUV (2-5 tonnes) to be launched from TS-1700, Milden, Li-Ion
UUV (sized as HWT) to be launched from all submarines, compatible to all HWT tubes, Li-ıon

+
Reis Class, AIP

 

[Anmdt]

STM500 matter is highly interesting, we can be assured we will hear some interesting news/progresses by end of 2021. It is not just an export to a single country, or getting into the service of TN, but multiple paths.
Private shipyards can be involved in Submarine business*, lately TAIS manager has also indicated their interest on this by telling "we have handled the grey ones so far successfully, we are expecting to be tasked by the black ones". I doubt if TS1700 or the equivalent will be awarded to a private shipyard but STM500 sized subs will definitely be. Multiple construction lines will be created to accelerate the progress after the first hull reaching a maturity following the sea trials.

*If financial troubles and risk management is handled properly, their only worry is entirely "emotional".

 

[Combat-Master]

Jet Engine Maritime Patrol Plane Project from the Turkish Naval Forces

Rear Admiral Alper YENİEL (Naval Air Commander), who made a speech at the "Naval Air Projects" session held within the scope of the 10th Naval Systems Seminar, gave information about the ongoing projects.

Within the scope of the "New Generation Naval Patrol (D/K) Aircraft Project" of the Turkish Naval Forces, it is aimed to bring jet-powered platforms into the inventory. Currently, the D/K aircraft in the inventory are turboprop propeller aircraft. With the new generation D/K, it is aimed to switch to jet engines. In the presentation made, in relation to the capability gains, compared to the existing D/K aircraft;

• Doubling the airtime,
• Increasing the radius of operation from 1400 miles to 4500 miles,
• Air-to-surface guided projectile firing,
• Examples of rapid transfer to the operation area were presented.

P-8 Poseidon (USA) and Kawasaki P-1 (Japan) D/K aircraft were featured in the presentation.

Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri'nden jet motorlu Deniz Karakol Uçağı Projesi

Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri'nin "Yeni Nesil Deniz Karakol (D/K)) Uçağı Projesi kapsamında jet motorlu platformların envantere kazandırılması amaçlanıyor.

www.defenceturk.net

 

[Zafer]

Temel Kotil was saying that a 60 passenger plane is the best fit for a new plane introduction as there is a vacuum in the market for such a plane. A plane that size can possibly be modified for patrol operations as well as tanker operations and possibly for some cargo operations be it civilian or military. Should be relatively easy to make as it is not so large.

 

[AWP]

Jet Engine Maritime Patrol Plane Project from the Turkish Naval Forces

there are two possible scenarios , An-178 with a turkish naval made system like the MELTEM II project or airbus A319 MPA to be made by tusas

but definitely not the poseidon

 

[Bogeyman]

Minister of National Defense Hulusi Akar: "We aim to complete the conceptual design of our National Submarine (MILDEN) Project this year."

Milli Savunma Bakanlığı

 

[Spook]

How did we get license for ESSM integration. They did not allow South Korea. How..

 

[Anmdt]

Minister of National Defense Hulusi Akar: "We aim to complete the conceptual design of our National Submarine (MILDEN) Project this year."

Milli Savunma Bakanlığı

So we can expect contract and detail design to be done by 2025-2026, and Milden starts construction in Golcuk Naval Shipyard right after the ground is cleared. First hull can be delivered in 2030+ .

There is sufficient time to develop necessary sensors and propulsion techs.

I wonder what Armerkom will focus on after TF2000 and Milden.

 

[BaburKhan]

Jet Engine Maritime Patrol Plane Project from the Turkish Naval Forces

Rear Admiral Alper YENİEL (Naval Air Commander), who made a speech at the "Naval Air Projects" session held within the scope of the 10th Naval Systems Seminar, gave information about the ongoing projects.

Within the scope of the "New Generation Naval Patrol (D/K) Aircraft Project" of the Turkish Naval Forces, it is aimed to bring jet-powered platforms into the inventory. Currently, the D/K aircraft in the inventory are turboprop propeller aircraft. With the new generation D/K, it is aimed to switch to jet engines. In the presentation made, in relation to the capability gains, compared to the existing D/K aircraft;

• Doubling the airtime,
• Increasing the radius of operation from 1400 miles to 4500 miles,
• Air-to-surface guided projectile firing,
• Examples of rapid transfer to the operation area were presented.

P-8 Poseidon (USA) and Kawasaki P-1 (Japan) D/K aircraft were featured in the presentation.

Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri'nden jet motorlu Deniz Karakol Uçağı Projesi

Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri'nin "Yeni Nesil Deniz Karakol (D/K)) Uçağı Projesi kapsamında jet motorlu platformların envantere kazandırılması amaçlanıyor.

www.defenceturk.net

MPA in this Class can operate all the mediterran, even on african Atlantic Coast and in arabian Sea.

 

[Cypro]

Jet Engine Maritime Patrol Plane Project from the Turkish Naval Forces

Rear Admiral Alper YENİEL (Naval Air Commander), who made a speech at the "Naval Air Projects" session held within the scope of the 10th Naval Systems Seminar, gave information about the ongoing projects.

Within the scope of the "New Generation Naval Patrol (D/K) Aircraft Project" of the Turkish Naval Forces, it is aimed to bring jet-powered platforms into the inventory. Currently, the D/K aircraft in the inventory are turboprop propeller aircraft. With the new generation D/K, it is aimed to switch to jet engines. In the presentation made, in relation to the capability gains, compared to the existing D/K aircraft;

• Doubling the airtime,
• Increasing the radius of operation from 1400 miles to 4500 miles,
• Air-to-surface guided projectile firing,
• Examples of rapid transfer to the operation area were presented.

P-8 Poseidon (USA) and Kawasaki P-1 (Japan) D/K aircraft were featured in the presentation.

Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri'nden jet motorlu Deniz Karakol Uçağı Projesi

Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri'nin "Yeni Nesil Deniz Karakol (D/K)) Uçağı Projesi kapsamında jet motorlu platformların envantere kazandırılması amaçlanıyor.

www.defenceturk.net

Let's combine this with F16 request, put an order for 2 P8 Poseidon and 2 New E-7A Wedgetail for long range operations.. Uncle Sam cannot resist to a big order, money comes first for Johnny. And some more Ch-47s needed. Why don't Turkey make a big order list, like Poseidons, F16s, Ch-47s, 136 F35, E7s, MK-41s, SM3s,THAAD.. US is upset because Turkey produces her products and don't buy like Arabs, and buys from Russia, I don't think they can resist to a multi billion dollar shopping list. You would get your lobby instantly, Lockheed, Boeing, Raytheon combined. There are still things that Turkey can't produce or loses time due to long R&D process.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1460686461162901505

Turkish Naval Forces Command is planning to supply Medium Load Transport Helicopter (10 Ton Class) and Airborne Early Warning (HEIK) Helicopter.

 

[Hexciter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1460686461162901505

Turkish Naval Forces Command is planning to supply Medium Load Transport Helicopter (10 Ton Class) and Airborne Early Warning (HEIK) Helicopter.

I wish that they prefer the French style

 

[Anmdt]

I wish that they prefer the French style
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I think Aselsan had one in their roadmap?