TR Naval Programs

[Combat-Master]

TCG AKHISAR OPV

 

[Yasar_TR]

I dont think that Germany will cooperate for Li-Ion batteries with us

“Interesting, so when RTE was having a go at Germans - it was likely not for the U-214TN but perhaps co-operation for Fuel Cell technology in MILDEN?”

I think you got it wrong. He means ; Germans were unwilling to co-operate on Fuel-Cell technology for our future Milden project. That is what RTE meant when he was ranting about Germans being difficult.
We already produce Li-Ion batteries ourselves. So Milden can go ahead with fully indigenous Li-Ion propulsion when the time comes.

 

[Yasar_TR]

3 000 ton displacement right? Why dont they go for even a bigger ship around 4 000-5 000 ton? The ada class is 2 400 ton right? I know that the tf 2000 would be around 8500 tons, but would it not be smart to have a mid gap between the ada class and heavy frigate?

@Anmdt could probably comment on this better. But Aegean is a Sea full of islands and although the deepest place is 3500m (near Crete), the average depth is around 1500m. In fact a lot of the Aegean is not very deep. If you look at the depth chart of the Sea below, you will see that it is not reallyy a Sea where you would need frigates bigger than 4000tons. You want capable well weaponised littoral water vessels in Aegean. Milgem Corvettes and I-Class frigates will operate more efficiently. Also it is a Sea that is ideal to operate Reis class subs.

 

[Yasar_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1472205008661667846

The MKE 76/62mm naval gun , subject to port and sea trials being successful, will be ready to be in the Turkish Navy inventory in end February 2022.

MKE'nin deniz topunun liman ve seyir kabul testleri başlıyor

MKE tarafından tasarlanıp geliştirilen 76mm Deniz topunun liman kabul ve seyir kabul testlerine başlanacak.

www.defenceturk.net

 

[Zafer]

That was quick.

 

[Anmdt]

I'd like to see how far Vestel has come with their Fuel Cell tech, they've been working on it for a while..

They have been in the meetings or at least the Milden workshop and the latter meetings if i remember correctly.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1472205008661667846

The MKE 76/62mm naval gun , subject to port and sea trials being successful, will be ready to be in the Turkish Navy inventory in end February 2022.

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MKE'nin deniz topunun liman ve seyir kabul testleri başlıyor

MKE tarafından tasarlanıp geliştirilen 76mm Deniz topunun liman kabul ve seyir kabul testlerine başlanacak.

www.defenceturk.net

This might be misinterpreted by the news, it will be in the inventory after land tests and port acceptance.If successful then will be installed on a ship and sailing for the sea trials that will last long.*

Also that one Burak Class in Izmir Shipyard will be ready by February, they might be aiming to install on that, could be one of the Ada class too but lesslikely because Ada class already has a new gun and it is pointless to replace it and spare such an important ship for test duties. There was one in Pendik Shipyard for repairs but it will leave in January.

*It is also ocean worthy, Ada class can operate up to sea state 5 and survive 7-8.

@Anmdt could probably comment on this better. But Aegean is a Sea full of islands and although the deepest place is 3500m (near Crete), the average depth is around 1500m. In fact a lot of the Aegean is not very deep. If you look at the depth chart of the Sea below, you will see that it is not reallyy a Sea where you would need frigates bigger than 4000tons. You want capable well weaponised littoral water vessels in Aegean. Milgem Corvettes and I-Class frigates will operate more efficiently. Also it is a Sea that is ideal to operate Reis class subs.

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Yes Ada Class was specifically designed for those seas that typically covers as far as TN concerned, but also can withstand deployment at Libya in terms of seaworthiness, just lacks the endurance and needs replenishment.

But Since TN has started over seas deployment at longer distances, like Libya and beyond the Crete or Cyprus, maybe in Somalia etc. in mid term, also to carry flag around with the Flagship Anadolu across the ocean in Africa or Asia, we will need those large frigates especially to replace Gabya.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Yes Ada Class was specifically designed for those seas that typically covers as far as TN concerned, but also can withstand deployment at Libya in terms of seaworthiness, just lacks the endurance and needs replenishment.

But Since TN has started over seas deployment at longer distances, like Libya and beyond the Crete or Cyprus, maybe in Somalia etc. in mid term, also to carry flag around with the Flagship Anadolu across the ocean in Africa or Asia, we will need those large frigates especially to replace Gabya.

Good point. Is the ada not enough for the agean sea? Whats the big difference between the i class and ada? Dont turkey have a project for a 4k- 6 k ton ship?

 

[Huelague]

3 000 ton displacement right? Why dont they go for even a bigger ship around 4 000-5 000 ton? The ada class is 2 400 ton right? I know that the tf 2000 would be around 8500 tons, but would it not be smart to have a mid gap between the ada class and heavy frigate?

Like I-Class frigate?

 

[Huelague]

“Interesting, so when RTE was having a go at Germans - it was likely not for the U-214TN but perhaps co-operation for Fuel Cell technology in MILDEN?”

I think you got it wrong. He means ; Germans were unwilling to co-operate on Fuel-Cell technology for our future Milden project. That is what RTE meant when he was ranting about Germans being difficult.
We already produce Li-Ion batteries ourselves. So Milden can go ahead with fully indigenous Li-Ion propulsion when the time comes.

Now, they realise if they dont co-operate (making money), we will do it on our own. Or other partners.

 

[Anmdt]

Good point. Is the ada not enough for the agean sea? Whats the big difference between the i class and ada? Dont turkey have a project for a 4k- 6 k ton ship?

Who says it is not enough by the way? It is more than enough but its mission profile focuses on nearby seas. It is made to operate in sea state 5. Also had an ocean voyage in Africa expedition of Turkish Navy.

There might be a project for that range. There is already TF-2000 project which is 8500-9000 tonnes.

I-Class is more advanced in many ways, it has Aesa 3d radar, 16VLS, dedicated EA/ED systems, a better ESM module and 2 wide bandwith SATCOM. Longer endurance and range and +8 AShM.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Who says it is not enough by the way? It is more than enough but its mission profile focuses on nearby seas. It is made to operate in sea state 5. Also had an ocean voyage in Africa expedition of Turkish Navy.

There might be a project for that range. There is already TF-2000 project which is 8500-9000 tonnes.

I-Class is more advanced in many ways, it has Aesa 3d radar, 16VLS, dedicated EA/ED systems, a better ESM module and 2 wide bandwith SATCOM. Longer endurance and range and +8 AShM.

I dont have much knowledge about navy,thats why i asked you if the Ada class is not enough for that mission. Yes the tf-2000 will be 8500-9000 tonnes, but would it not be any ship between the I class and the tf-2000?

 

[Anmdt]

I dont have much knowledge about navy,thats why i asked you if the Ada class is not enough for that mission. Yes the tf-2000 will be 8500-9000 tonnes, but would it not be any ship between the I class and the tf-2000?

Yes Ada class is sufficient for those missions.

There might be a ship in between of those, not officially declared yet, but the Navy's intentions are indicating the possibility.

 

[Anmdt]

https://www.ssb.gov.tr/Website/contentList.aspx?PageID=4091&LangID=1

2.5 months for the RfP term I was expecting up to 2. Will be concluded before than June, this is for sure.

Steel cutting may commence in August-July and Keel laying ceremony maybe held in September as per the tradition.

I have been really tired of telling people the issue was not finance or money, and I-Class tender will be held sooner than we expect.

Finally the RfP is announced, the design is frozen and contracts for 1st I-Class have been concluded.

The bidders should either have a shipyard, or an affiliated shipyard that has carried out design or construction for Naval platforms. Or a design office fulfilling the earlier requirement, may collaborate with a shipyard for the tender.

The possible bidders now;

ASFAT (technically doesn't own the shipyard), with Naval Shipyard
STM (doesn't own a shipyard) with a private shipyard
Dearsan
TAIS, may play the card of simultaneous production or for individuals of the TAIS, or one of them may come forward.
Istanbul Shipyard etc may give a try.

TF-2000s & FAC bidding likely left for 2023, there is still time until the contract design stage and engineering jobs are completed.

 

[Yasar_TR]

MİLGEM 6,7 ve 8'inci gemiler için süreç başladı

Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanı İsmail Demir, MİLGEM Programı kapsamında üretilecek 6,7 ve 8'inci gemiler için ihale sürecinin başlatıldığını açıkladı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Bidding and consequently Production timeline for the 6th to 8th ships for the I-Class frigates has started.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

https://www.ssb.gov.tr/Website/contentList.aspx?PageID=4091&LangID=1

2.5 months for the RfP term I was expecting up to 2. Will be concluded before than June, this is for sure.

Steel cutting may commence in August-July and Keel laying ceremony maybe held in September as per the tradition.

I have been really tired of telling people the issue was not finance or money, and I-Class tender will be held sooner than we expect.

Finally the RfP is announced, the design is frozen and contracts for 1st I-Class have been concluded.

The bidders should either have a shipyard, or an affiliated shipyard that has carried out design or construction for Naval platforms. Or a design office fulfilling the earlier requirement, may collaborate with a shipyard for the tender.
The possible bidders now;
ASFAT (technically doesn't own the shipyard), with Naval Shipyard
STM (doesn't own a shipyard) with a private shipyard
Dearsan
TAIS, may play the card of simultaneous production or for individuals of the TAIS, or one of them may come forward.
Istanbul Shipyard etc may give a try.

TF-2000s & FAC bidding likely left for 2023, there is still time until the contract design stage and engineering jobs are completed.

I class frigate program is literally the story of the Turks who won the struggle against the embargoes and wrote own epic.

Short summary for warship and submarine programs

- Construction of Turkish Type Fast Assault Boat prototype will begin in 2022
-Tf2000 design phase will be completed in 2022
-Barbaros-MLU starts. First ship is TCG OruçReis
-Milden submarine design phase will be completed in 2023
-STM-500 mini submarine construction will start in 2022
-First I class with Cenk-S 3D AESA radar and 16cell MIDLAS VLS with Hisar+ESSM+Siper missiles will be delivered to Navy in 2023.
Aselsan-Sefine USV ships will be ready in 2022
- Serial production of 3 I class frigates will commence in 2022

 

[Saithan]

Have we secured the propulsion system for the Milgems ?

Which candidates did we have (sorry I forgot, LM, MTU...)

 

[Yasar_TR]

Have we secured the propulsion system for the Milgems ?

Which candidates did we have (sorry I forgot, LM, MTU...)

As the English say: “How long is a piece of string? “
There is no guarantee that US will not put the brakes on the LM2500 gas turbines. Or Germans will not pressurise MTU not to sell the Diesel engines.
But to date they have not shown any inclination about extending their stealth embargoes to the naval area.
TEI has signed an MOU agreement with LM to be LM2500 and LM500 repair and maintenance partner. Germans have not been difficult in the naval parts exports. So we will see.
We will be using LM gas turbines and MTU diesels.
We are in contact with Zorya Mashproekt for gas turbines too. But there isn’t much chance we will be buying any of their products very soon.

 

[Combat-Master]

I class frigate program is literally the story of the Turks who won the struggle against the embargoes and wrote own epic.

Short summary for warship and submarine programs

- Construction of Turkish Type Fast Assault Boat prototype will begin in 2022
-Tf2000 design phase will be completed in 2022
-Barbaros-MLU starts. First ship is TCG OruçReis
-Milden submarine design phase will be completed in 2023
-STM-500 mini submarine construction will start in 2022
-First I class with Cenk-S 3D AESA radar and 16cell MIDLAS VLS with Hisar+ESSM+Siper missiles will be delivered to Navy in 2023.
Aselsan-Sefine USV ships will be ready in 2022
- Serial production of 3 I class frigates will commence in 2022

I'd like to see what changes have been made to the TTFAB, I don't suppose it will have Thales SMART-S Mk2 Radar nor RIM-116.....

 

[TheInsider]

I heard some rumors that a winner will be announced in April for I class serial production. There is an SSIK (defense industry executive committee ) meeting in April which will be chaired by the president. The last day to get a RfP document is December 31 and the last day to submit a bid is March 15.

If that happens the first steel cut for the second ship might be done as early as june/july/august period and second ship might be delivered by the end of 2024. (1 year for construction+15-18 months for system installation and tests)

 

[Anmdt]

I don't suppose it will have Thales SMART-S Mk2 Radar nor RIM-116.....

It has X-DAR (renamed as ARDA) a dedicated X-band 3D naval search radar with MFR capabilities, for the CIWS that will be announced in first half of 2022 i guess
-- Armerkom is studying / evaluating the offers on the missile CIWS, they may choose one of the offers and go straight with one of them (Roketsan alone, Tubitak-Aselsan joint) or ask them to form a concortium by sharing responsibilities among them (Roketsan does the missile, launcher and the serial production, Tubitak does the missile engagement algorithms and missile design, Aselsan does seeker for the missile and the radar architecture for the autonomous CIWS module). --

TTFAC has remarkably changed in design as well, people started to call it "Milgem Junior" , MPAC from STM was a result of recent studies on TTFAC, the mast now is more solid and supposed to have R-ESM + C-ESM + ED (doubting EA for now but lets see)