TR Naval Programs

[Zafer]

Nuclear propulsion is only good when you develop it yourself.
A thorium reactor would be best if it happens and would be a break through per se.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Turkey’s Submarine Industry: Where Does the Country Stand Currently? - Politics Today

Turkey’s NTSP (New Type Submarine Project) is among the country’s most striking national defense industry projects which will enhance its naval power.

politicstoday.org

An interesting article about the aspirations of Turkish submarine fleet and Milden.
The last 3 bullet points explains quite clearly what Turkey expects from this program.
1. Due to their effectiveness in shallow and littoral waters, AIP Reis Class Subs will be most effective in the Aegean waters.
2. Reis class will be operating the latest technology developed by local companies like ; Sub-Atmaca Missile, Gezgin Cruise Missile and Akya Heavy Torpedo. This torpedo, Turkish defense industry officials argue that it is significantly better than its global counterparts.
In addition to the locally developed weapons, according to this site, Reis class will be operating IDAS missile system developed by Germany and Roketsan. Interactive Defence & Attack System SAM will give the subs self defence capability against anti-sub helicopters and alike.
3. Reis class will augment Turkeys force projection capability in open seas as well.

Milden will be the natural follow up to the Reis project. And it will carry Turkish submarine program to the next level with local technology input at it’s apex.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Turkey’s Submarine Industry: Where Does the Country Stand Currently? - Politics Today

Turkey’s NTSP (New Type Submarine Project) is among the country’s most striking national defense industry projects which will enhance its naval power.

politicstoday.org

An interesting article about the aspirations of Turkish submarine fleet and Milden.
The last 3 bullet points explains quite clearly what Turkey expects from this program.
1. Due to their effectiveness in shallow and littoral waters, AIP Reis Class Subs will be most effective in the Aegean waters.
2. Reis class will be operating the latest technology developed by local companies like ; Sub-Atmaca Missile, Gezgin Cruise Missile and Akya Heavy Torpedo. This torpedo, Turkish defense industry officials argues that it is significantly better than its global counterparts.
In addition to the locally developed weapons, according to this site, Reis class will be operating IDAS missile system developed by Germany and Roketsan. Interactive Defence & Attack System SAM will give the subs self defence capability against anti-sub helicopters and alike.
3. Reis class will augment Turkeys force projection capability in open seas as well.

Milden will be the natural follow up to the Reis project. And it will carry Turkish submarine program to the next level with local technology input at it’s apex.

Thanks for sharing bro.

Akya
Sub-Atmaca
Sub-Hisar
Sub-Gezgin
Tork

These are the capabilities that the navy wants in the Milden.

this is the test setup developed by Tübitak sage.

 

[Abdelaziz]

Thanks for sharing bro.

Akya
Sub-Atmaca
Sub-Hisar
Sub-Gezgin
Tork

These are the capabilities that the navy wants in the Milden.

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this is the test setup developed by Tübitak sage.

I have read that there is minimal difference between this test system and normal system used in subs and they can modify it for milden ... Is that true ?

 

[Huelague]

Turkey’s Submarine Industry: Where Does the Country Stand Currently? - Politics Today

Turkey’s NTSP (New Type Submarine Project) is among the country’s most striking national defense industry projects which will enhance its naval power.

politicstoday.org

An interesting article about the aspirations of Turkish submarine fleet and Milden.
The last 3 bullet points explains quite clearly what Turkey expects from this program.
1. Due to their effectiveness in shallow and littoral waters, AIP Reis Class Subs will be most effective in the Aegean waters.
2. Reis class will be operating the latest technology developed by local companies like ; Sub-Atmaca Missile, Gezgin Cruise Missile and Akya Heavy Torpedo. This torpedo, Turkish defense industry officials argue that it is significantly better than its global counterparts.
In addition to the locally developed weapons, according to this site, Reis class will be operating IDAS missile system developed by Germany and Roketsan. Interactive Defence & Attack System SAM will give the subs self defence capability against anti-sub helicopters and alike.
3. Reis class will augment Turkeys force projection capability in open seas as well.

Milden will be the natural follow up to the Reis project. And it will carry Turkish submarine program to the next level with local technology input at it’s apex.

If you are playing with my feeling, I will kill you!!!

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr Demir: "In a very short time, we are going to issue tender for the serial production of I class."

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr Demir: "There are no problems or delay with Reis class submarine production with Germany.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

I have read that there is minimal difference between this test system and normal system used in subs and they can modify it for milden ... Is that true ?

The system we are talking about consists of a mechanism that enables the firing and testing of national submarine missiles on land without being integrated into the submarine. We will probably see a modified version of this system in Mildens.

 

[Anmdt]

The system we are talking about consists of a mechanism that enables the firing and testing of national submarine missiles on land without being integrated into the submarine. We will probably see a modified version of this system in Mildens.

The system placed underwater, remotely controlled and can be used for all kind of submarine launched weapon using exact same CMS, torpedo control system and firing sequence like a submarine really does. I think they are also after localizing some more critical subsystems on the torpedo control and fire control system.

 

[Oublious]

It deserve both topics ..

 

[Yasar_TR]

Mr Demir: "In a very short time, we are going to issue tender for the serial production of I class."

This is the best News I have had today. Finally the wish of all patriotic Turks is going to be realised.

 

[Nutuk]

This is the best News I have had today. Finally the wish of all patriotic Turks is going to be realised.

Well SSB is now announcing for at least half a year that they will go for a tender in a "very short time".

I wish they defined this very short time

 

[Fighter_35]

The system we are talking about consists of a mechanism that enables the firing and testing of national submarine missiles on land without being integrated into the submarine. We will probably see a modified version of t

Well SSB is now announcing for at least half a year that they will go for a tender in a "very short time".

I wish they defined this very short time

And it is tender not decision!! Decision also takes another at least 6-12 months.

 

[Anmdt]

And it is tender not decision!! Decision also takes another at least 6-12 months.

Entirely depends on SSIK.

There were times SSB has notified some shipyards for a new design to compete with demonstration and only 1 month was given for bidding after the RFP.

A platform with frozen design, parts, equipments and suppliers are known will be easier to bid for shipyards. Even the major contractor of projects (equipment) will either be STM or ASFAT.

The cost prediction is quite straightforward for shipyards. The RFP - bidding will take 1.5 to 2 months and they will conclude it in April SSIK.

 

[Anmdt]

I-Class despite of all those additions and with future additions are considered, still runs on the same generators as Ada Class.

This possibly proves how Milgem was planned and designed ahead to expand in an upgrade to take place in 2020s. Ada class will receive EA / ED and other systems in a similar sense to I-Class.

Perks of designing your own solution, you are not bound with some foreigner approach on decision of the generator capacity that is offered in casual limits to cut prices down, increase endurance and presented in golden platter as 'perfect' solution.

The very same foreign designers leave a huge margin for their own domestic platforms for future expansions but when it comes to export designs their gen-sets are reduced in size and capacity to show platform as 'very finely designed'.

Some people (possible customers) with a limited knowledge back then claimed the Turkish engineer to over-estimate gen-set capacity to avoid risks while negotiating with bidders and comparing the offers.

PS. Possibly the same gen-sets are used in TCG Ufuk smoothly, providing all those power to backbone of onboard signal and data processing.

 

[Combat-Master]

Likely it is, and I don't think Russians are the only option here.
Fuel Cell / Li-Ion also satisfies the requirement and even the beyond, so it is less-likely for Navy to ask nuclear propulsion that will ten-fold the complexity.

Interesting, so when RTE was having a go at Germans - it was likely not for the U-214TN but perhaps co-operation for Fuel Cell technology in MILDEN?

 

[Anmdt]

Interesting, so when RTE was having a go at Germans - it was likely not for the U-214TN but perhaps co-operation for Fuel Cell technology in MILDEN?

Could be, the time is ticking for Milden and there isn't much time left for them to initiate a fuel-cell tech development project to catch up with the schedule.*

Milden DPO has recurring meetings that hosts several parties; researchers, contractors (STM), equipment (battery, possible fuel-cell developer, R&D firms, electronics and sensor providers) and material manufacturers, engineering solution providers (Figes et al.). They are seeking out firms and collaborations to assign the critical tasks, or by themselves forming collaborations.

*Let me note this further, navy has that long endurance aim for the second batch/block of Milden. So fuel cell tech can be aimed foe 2035+ and Milden will start with Li-İon like Japanese did.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Mr Demir: "In a very short time, we are going to issue tender for the serial production of I class."

3 000 ton displacement right? Why dont they go for even a bigger ship around 4 000-5 000 ton? The ada class is 2 400 ton right? I know that the tf 2000 would be around 8500 tons, but would it not be smart to have a mid gap between the ada class and heavy frigate?

 

[BTT34]

Interesting, so when RTE was having a go at Germans - it was likely not for the U-214TN but perhaps co-operation for Fuel Cell technology in MILDEN?

I dont think that Germany will cooperate for Li-Ion batteries with us

 

[Combat-Master]

Could be, the time is ticking for Milden and there isn't much time left for them to initiate a fuel-cell tech development project to catch up with the schedule.*

Milden DPO has recurring meetings that hosts several parties; researchers, contractors (STM), equipment (battery, possible fuel-cell developer, R&D firms, electronics and sensor providers) and material manufacturers, engineering solution providers (Figes et al.). They are seeking out firms and collaborations to assign the critical tasks, or by themselves forming collaborations.

*Let me note this further, navy has that long endurance aim for the second batch/block of Milden. So fuel cell tech can be aimed foe 2035+ and Milden will start with Li-İon like Japanese did.

I'd like to see how far Vestel has come with their Fuel Cell tech, they've been working on it for a while..