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I assume that's what USV's are for?In the simulations made by the Navy for the Sea of Islands, no ship can avoid sinking in the first few days of the war. Therefore, if there is a Greek-Turkish war, we will not see fleets sailing in the Sea of Islands
I don't see Buraks enter 2030 tbh. Those ships are ancient and bring nothing to the table in this day and are now also called patrol boats. Adas with their turbines are good little ships and maybe they can be upgraded a la Baburs with smaller, cold launch VLS.We have 6 Burak Class OPVs. Total corvette fleet is 10 pieces (4x Ada, 6x Burak). Burak class is lightly armed. We can replace corvette fleet completely with 2+8 Hisar class OPVs and upgrade Ada class to turn them into proper frigates. Ada class has turbine engines(LM2500) and they are luxurious for the current role. CODELOD Hisar class is a better fit. The oldest of Ada class is 13 years old so we can start with the oldest one and upgrade one by one like the Barbaros mod.
USV, Unmanned submarines, mini submarines, submarines and air fleets may be just this at most in the current conjuncture.I assume that's what USV's are for?
Ä°nstead of upgrading Ada why dont we convert them to Opvs with changing drive system to Codelod . After striping old drive also , we can use parts at new additional Istif . So we can increase Istif numbers to 12. Or we can use this drives at planned 4 opv so we can obtain new istif like corvettes better than Adas. Also we can use upgrade parts at new ships like new radars and sensor suits.We have 6 Burak Class OPVs. Total corvette fleet is 10 pieces (4x Ada, 6x Burak). Burak class is lightly armed. We can replace corvette fleet completely with 2+8 Hisar class OPVs and upgrade Ada class to turn them into proper frigates. Ada class has turbine engines(LM2500) and they are luxurious for the current role. CODELOD Hisar class is a better fit. The oldest of Ada class is 13 years old so we can start with the oldest one and upgrade one by one like the Barbaros mod.
I completely agree.
On the other hand, 8 Istif, 8 4000-5000t frigate and 8 TF2000 would be my wet dream.
It is,indeed. Some people tried to rush it for political reasons but few left sane people stopped it as it has a negative effect on exports.
At least.Hopefully with the first Milden subs becoming part of the fleet, the 4 Gabya frigates will also be replaced with the TF4500 frigates
Maybe 'Gezgin' or any ballistic missile?Which missiles will be used for VLS as they can not be launched from torpedo tubes?
Rather than launching a single stage missile vertically, two of the torpedo tubes could be sacrificed in favor of, for example, two 650-800mm special type launchers. I think the answers to the questions about why vertical launch is wanting are a little bit gray zone. I mean tons of speculation in a highly restricted area, and those who know something can't open their mouths for some reasons.M
Maybe 'Gezgin' or any ballistic missile?
Rather than launching a single stage missile vertically, two of the torpedo tubes could be sacrificed in favor of, for example, two 650-800mm special type launchers. I think the answers to the questions about why vertical launch is wanting are a little bit gray zone. I mean tons of speculation in a highly restricted area, and those who know something can't open their mouths for some reasons.
The premature start of construction (cutting of steel, laying of the keel) without any real progress in the background gives the impression that the project is delayed and progressing slowly. So, a loss of prestige or image, which raises questions such as "well, that platform took years to launch and commission, how do you propose to get it in the service in time for us".How would it hurt exports?
The Burak class has long been relegated to patrol boat duties (perhaps the heavy weapons on board have become obsolete), and one is being used as an experimental platform to test the downsizing of Advent and a suite for future patrol boats and another being retired. Moreover, recently they have received patrol boat status along with NTPB in DzKK's website, officially.I don't see Buraks enter 2030 tbh. Those ships are ancient and bring nothing to the table in this day and are now also called patrol boats. Adas with their turbines are good little ships and maybe they can be upgraded a la Baburs with smaller, cold launch VLS.
For the first or second VLS?Which missiles will be used for VLS as they can not be launched from torpedo tubes?
And interpreting the inclusion of the VLS module in the Milden, that is a complex and rough way that the Navy had opposed earlier, the Navy should have finally considered torpedo tubes as rather flexible points to use expendable UUVs, torpedoes and Sub-Atmaca (short range set of weapons) and others, while shifting the surface attack to VLS (long range set of weapons).Technically it can be done, but I think sacrificing Torpedo tubes is almost never a good idea for diesel electric boats. I am firmly against it. Because it doesn't have the large torpedo room of SSNs. So, you gotta be really careful with priority management and don't want your boat to run out of its primary weapon.
Frankly, I doubt it, but we'll see. They have already gone a long way (from SSB's point of view and financially) by taking it from 7000 to 8500 tonnes. Last I saw they had taken the conceptual design we saw in the latest IDEF to the functional/contract design stage. I expect minor revisions beyond this point, which may include PDMS and other things that were not included in the conceptual design (by choice, such as the EW suite).Fatih Mehmet Küçük said in today's broadcast that there are rumors of revision in the TF-2000s after Ukraine hit the Moskva cruiser.
Correction: They will increase the tonnage to 9 thousand tons. 96 VLS is coming.
Unfortunately the TF4500 was just a concept design made by STM to be offered during feasibility studies made for the TF2000, after that failed (we have seen the course the Navy has taken) they took the design out in public and at fairs, then it faded away. STM sometimes acts proactively. (OPV designs, TS1700, STM500 et al.)At least.
The I-Class is not made for this, but the point of having a VLS is to make it flexible, so yes, it can do 1 or 16 or none.Speaking of gezgin, 16 cruise missiles in Istif is more than usual isn't it? Even much larger ships use mostly 8. Is it possible to change half of these to gezgin based on mission?
I meant instead of Atmaca launchers since VLS is already limited.The I-Class is not made for this, but the point of having a VLS is to make it flexible, so yes, it can do 1 or 16 or none.
It is said that before the final decision, the navy lobbied for a 5000-ton ship, but they had to settle for the Ä°stif class. They insistently wanted a ship that could sail into the ocean.Frankly, I doubt it, but we'll see. They have already gone a long way (from SSB's point of view and financially) by taking it from 7000 to 8500 tonnes. Last I saw they had taken the conceptual design we saw in the latest IDEF to the functional/contract design stage. I expect minor revisions beyond this point, which may include PDMS and other things that were not included in the conceptual design (by choice, such as the EW suite).
Unfortunately the TF4500 was just a concept design made by STM to be offered during feasibility studies made for the TF2000, after that failed (we have seen the course the Navy has taken) they took the design out in public and at fairs, then it faded away. STM sometimes acts proactively. (OPV designs, TS1700, STM500 et al.)
Decisions of going from not being oceangoing to being oceangoing are political too as well as economical rather than being simply technical. I wonder if we will see more roadblocks when going to larger ships as we still get the engines from foreign vendors.It is said that before the final decision, the navy lobbied for a 5000-ton ship, but they had to settle for the Ä°stif class. They insistently wanted a ship that could sail into the ocean.