TR Naval Programs

[adenl]

I hope Aselsan DASS is ready in time to be put on these boats. Otherwise we'll see Star Safire 380HD, like on the SUNGUR.

 

[Combat-Master]

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I'd like to see more sensors (Panoramic) on these boats and a decent 3-man command station to operate these from. Linked up with UAV and UUV it will be a decent threat

 

[Hexciter]

Still couldn’t see anti-submarine and anti-seamine variants.

 

[Turko]

İ'm sure this beast will have antisubmarine variant with torpedos and a sonar.

 

[liblob]

Anti Submarine / Minehunter version. Anyone got a better picture?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1321390213101477889

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1321380157177925632

 

[Yasar_TR]

Congratulations Turkey

Could somebody explain what kind of sea targets these vehicles are designed for? I mean, the UMTAS and CIRIT can't possibly disable corvettes or bigger sized ships, although they could damage damage them.

Umtas and Cirit are good for small crafts up to 3-400 tons displacement. Cirit is good for light armoured ; but the Umtas is capable of going through any ship’s hull. But they will not sink a corvette or a 500ton fast attack craft . They may disable a FAC with a lucky shot. But that is all.
Also a boat that is 11 m long can not really accommodate the Atmaca missile. It is more likely that this boat will have a TJ-300 powered 100-120km range medium range anti ship missile (MRASM).
A “mini atmaca” !! That will knock out a corvette or a frigate easily.

Turkey tests its first medium-range missile engine

400-horse-power engine can provide 1,300-newton thrust despite its small size, says Turkish technology minister - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

TEI’s TJ-300 Engine to Power Roketsan’s Medium Range Anti-Ship Guided Munition!

www.defenceturkey.com

 

[bsruzm]

Linked up with UAV and UUV it will be a decent threat

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1321411556027125761

Swarm operation capability
Joint operation with UAVs

 

[Cabatli_TR]

 

[Cabatli_TR]

 

[Combat-Master]

Imagine an Operators station like this;

 

[Combat-Master]

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Imagine operational capabilities these SIDAs can provide when they are used on swarm mode? Imagine each swarm team consisting of 8-10 SIDA with 3D radar + Atmaca/MRAShM, EW SIDA, sonar+torpedos SIDA and Air defence SIDA( Sungur and Hisar-A+ or G40 missiles). They can search and track naval, underwater and aerial targets on their own and generate the tactics thanks to AI supported decision taking algorithms helping operators. Imagine Swarm teams communicating among each others and continuously providing information to manned frigates and destroyers. When It is needed, The far manned platforms will be able to fire their missiles to the targets detected by SIDAs. This will be end of any Navy using conventional tactics and ı believe Greeks will be first nation that will face it.

 

[adenl]

Can you imagine operational capabilities these SIDAs can provide when they are used on swarm mode? Imagine each swarm team consisting of 8-10 SIDA with 3D radar + Atmaca/MRAShM, EW SIDA, sonar+torpedos SIDA and Air defence SIDA( Sungur and Hisar-A+ or G40 missiles). They can search and track naval, underwater and aerial targets on their own and generate the tactics thanks to AI supported decision taking algorithms helping operators. Imagine Swarm teams communicating among each others and continuously providing information to manned frigates and destroyers. When It is needed, The far manned platforms will be able to fire their missiles to the targets detected by SIDAs. This will be end of any Navy using conventional tactics and ı believe Greeks will be first nation that will face it.

One ADS SIDA, One ASuW SIDA, one ASW SIDA and one EW SIDA is equivalent to one heavy corvette or light frigate like the SIGMA 9813 and 10513, but presenting 4 unmanned targets to the enemy instead of one.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

One ADS SIDA, One ASuW SIDA, one ASW SIDA and one EW SIDA is equivalent to one heavy corvette or light frigate like the SIGMA 9813 and 10513, but presenting 4 unmanned targets to the enemy instead of one.

4 unmanned target having smaller RCS than a SIGMA and having potential to reach the speeds of 50-60kts If It is requested.

 

[Anmdt]

Shouldn't forget about Alpagu block II or further variants to be launched even from the smallest USV.

Uplink with MPA for ASW missions, or Mothership for Aerial target detection for SHORAD with Sungur missile.

I was also hoping to see a telescopic mast to lower visual proflie while approaching to the target, they may implement later.

 

[adenl]

4 unmanned target having smaller RCS than a SIGMA and having potential to reach the speeds of 50-60kts If It is requested.

3 of those SIGMA's cost Morocco $1.2 billion in 2008. I'm sure for that amount Turkey can field 30-40 SIDA's in various configurations. A true force multiplier.

Together with the 12 ASW airplanes and UAV's this will make the Turkish waters impenetrable for subs and ships

Imagine a 4 ship SIDA fleet like mentioned by me before with one constant Aksungur ASW version flying overhead, looking for targets. That is 24/7/365 AS(u)W capability along Turkish shores.

 

[guest12]

I was also hoping to see a telescopic mast to lower visual proflie while approaching to the target, they may implement later.

Same i am rather disappointed it could be something more stealth(lower mast and hidden launchers).

 

[Anmdt]

Same i am rather disappointed it could be something more stealth(lower mast and hidden launchers).

Possibly they have chosen Roketsan as a solution partner, the project will shape up through time, we can see hidden launchers or launchers with more missile capacity.
Yonca-Onuk and Aselsan may team up and propose something different for different purposes too, we don't know yet.

 

[adenl]

With these USS, UAV's and soon UUV, all networked and data-linked together with the manned platforms of the TSK, the generals and admirals will have their own version of an FPS shooter IRL. They might have missed the Play Station and Nintendo in their younger years, but they are having a much superior KEMENT game console . Can't wait for the supersonic AShM, UUV and AShBM to be unveiled.