Naval VLS solutions

[Siper>MMU]

Sam

But there's no MK41 one cell. MK41 8 cell self defense variant which is lighter and shorter than others just weight 12 tonnes.
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You can't fit mk41 on little naval vessels. İndeed Umkhonto VLS is very compact, light, short and ideal for 4-6 missiles.Easy to maintain. Easy to load.
Also it must be cheaper. You don't need extra canister for transport.


Canister length 3800mm
Diameter 650mm

Mk41 one cell is minumum 5700mm.

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Look here are the 8 missiles , it doesn't seem to occupy more space than two cell of MK41.


Güney Afrika büyük savaş gemilerinde geniş geniş koymuş, ama Hamina Klasta gayet kompakt.

The most compact VLS design must be CAMM's ( which must be complicated and expensive)
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Same diameter as single MK41 cell. But you can load 4 times more missiles.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Hope the UAE copies the Umkhonto, I don't really care if they can master all the subsystems yet but it will be an effective platform that can be modified greatly.

GBADS Umkhonto is quite interesting as well but that is a different topic altogether.

 

[Turko]

Sam

Same diameter as single MK41 cell. But you can load 4 times more missiles.
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İt is not a cell, it a canister. Lockheed Martin doesn't produce one cell mk41 VLS! How could you run the quadpacked canister? You need a Launcher while Umkhonto is a single cell launcher as well as a transport canister.

There is a just single-cell mk57 which more expensive, longer, heavier than Umkhonto.

 

[Siper>MMU]

İt is not a cell, it a canister. Lockheed Martin doesn't produce one cell mk41 VLS! How could you run the quadpacked canister? You need a Launcher while Umkhonto is one cell launcher.

ExLS ? It's a 3 cell launcher. Can use CAMM missiles.

Nobody is going to place only 1-2 missiles on the ship, right? Then there is no point in putting Umkhonto one by one. If you're going to put air defense missiles on a ship, you need to put at least 12-16 missiles.

Umkhonto is a cost-effective solution for a country with insufficient technical and economic infrastructure. But it is not a missile that will meet the demands for Turkey or even Greece.

 

[Turko]

Nobody is going to place only 1-2 missiles on the ship, right?

Single cell VLS solutions ideal for little warships with reasonable prices.
How much cost Lockheed Martin's VLS?
For MK41s you need additional transport canisters.


I offer cheap simple single VLS for our Hisar A+ which is more capable than RAM while UAVs getting populars.

IMO Little patrol ships need SAMs against UAVs as well as cruise missiles.
Hisar A+ is ideal for this role. Since Umkhonto type VLS is modular you can apply HisarA+ on TUZLA, ADA as well as old Gabyas, Barbaros Classes.


Moreover Hisar A+ with cheap modular VLS also has export potential for humble navies. Why not ?
Note that greedy Royal Navy still uses old single cells for their CAMMs

 

[Siper>MMU]

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Single cell VLS solutions ideal for little warships with reasonable prices.
How much cost Lockheed Martin's VLS?
For MK41s you need additional transport canisters.


I offer cheap simple single VLS for our Hisar A+ which is more capable than RAM while UAVs getting populars.

IMO Little patrol ships need SAMs against UAVs as well as cruise missiles.
Hisar A+ is ideal for this role. Since Umkhonto type VLS is modular you can apply HisarA+ on TUZLA, ADA as well as old Gabyas, Barbaros Classes.


Moreover Hisar A+ with cheap modular VLS also has export potential for humble navies. Why not ?
Note that greedy Royal Navy still uses old single cells for their CAMMs

Hisar A+ is heavier, probably wider in diameter. Also it's range is shorter.

We already have Sungur for patrol crafts. With its IIR seeker, it will be enough for dealing with cruise missiles and UAVs. They are not large ships. Probably they even won't be a target for a cruise missile. No need for long range defense. They just need self defense and Sungur is well suitable with its range and altitude. Even France is equipping their La Fayette's with Sadral Mistral launcher. Manpads with IIR seeker is well enough for cruise missiles. Maybe it wont be enough for UAVs flying high.

You can't already put a A+ missile on existing ships. Hisar takes too much space. Lacks an exhaust system. Will be more harder for it to install than you thought.

IMO installing a missile with range lower than 30-40km is not necessary. It will just take space and wont be enough capable.

For example, even if the range is 70km, it is unnecessary to put a large missile like the Buk. 4-6 missiles won't be enough for large ships.

For small patrol crafts, 8 Sungur is enough. Hardest target for them to face is UAVs.
For Ada class, 16 Hisar RF missile is enough with 4 quadpacked(?) cells. Gowınd class has 16 MICA VL with 16 cells.


My point is instead of putting some inferior missiles, I would rather wait for quadpacked RF missiles to install.

 

[Turko]

IMO installing a missile with range lower than 30-40km is not necessary. It will just take space and wont be enough capable.

How could engage Bayraktar type UAV flying at 7000m with Sungur?
Tuzla class are patrol boats so they should be literally patrolling.


On the other hand frigates with SHORAD capabilities always will be.

Just MK41 costs min 30-40 million USD without ESSM missiles ( also very hard to maintain)

 

[Siper>MMU]

If you are willing to sail your ships with huge canisters like this, you can put the A+...

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[Turko]

If you are willing to sail your ships with huge canisters like this, you can put the A+...

Hava Savunma Hücumbotu konsepti: Yıldız sınıfı hücumbot modernizasyonu

Başta insansızlaşma olmak üzere dünya denizlerindeki değişimler deniz platformlarında yenilikçi bakışı gerektiriyor.

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Absolutely not. I don't like the idea Kılıç FACs with HisarA+. It looks weird.

Also the VLS They put in picture is huge. That's why l offered Umkhonto VLS . It would be great to know dimensions of Hisar A+.

I assume HisarA+ maximum length is 3.2m so it is very possible to fit them with Umkhonto type VLS in Tuzla Classes.

Guys look again , what's wrong with the Hamina Class?

 

[Philip the Arab]

Umkhonto is done for thats out of the question, but it was good while it lasted.

 

[UkroTurk]

MİDLAS
Tactical Length :15.000kg
Strike Length :18.000 kg

MİDLAS heavier than MK41

Mk41
tactical length:13.500kg
Strike length: 14.500kg