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[nick.f76]

For instance, U.S. government officials welcomed the Mecca Pact signed by Türkiye, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

Why wouldn't they welcome it? Those countries don't wish USA wouldn't exist like they do for Israel. They will not throw their missiles on USA. They will not send their F-16s and drones to violate the USA air space like a certain country does in the Greek air space. They will not send their fishermen accompanied by their Coast Guard to fish in USA territorial waters and bully American fishermen like that certain country does to Greek fishermen.

 

[AlperTunga]

Why wouldn't they welcome it? Those countries don't wish USA wouldn't exist like they do for Israel. They will not throw their missiles on USA. They will not send their F-16s and drones to violate the USA air space like a certain country does in the Greek air space. They will not send their fishermen accompanied by their Coast Guard to fish in USA territorial waters and bully American fishermen like that certain country does to Greek fishermen.

If you people continue with this mentality, a war will be inevitable. This time we will make sure that it will be the last one with your country.

 

[Fatman17]

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The three countries agreed to further institutionalize their cooperation “in a manner that would enhance their solidarity, ensure the credibility and effectiveness of their collective deterrence and defence, and contribute to the regional efforts and cooperative security towards a just, inclusive and lasting peace.”

The statement also announced the establishment of a secretariat in Saudi Arabia to support work carried out under the agreement.

“A Secretariat, headed by a Secretary General, will be established in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to support their work within the framework of the Mecca Agreement,” it said.

The secretariat will initially be headed by a secretary general from Pakistan for a three-year term.

 

[Barry]

Why wouldn't they welcome it? Those countries don't wish USA wouldn't exist like they do for Israel. They will not throw their missiles on USA. They will not send their F-16s and drones to violate the USA air space like a certain country does in the Greek air space. They will not send their fishermen accompanied by their Coast Guard to fish in USA territorial waters and bully American fishermen like that certain country does to Greek fishermen.

you guys are always the victims. It's a weak mentality.

 

[Lool]

Why wouldn't they welcome it? Those countries don't wish USA wouldn't exist like they do for Israel. They will not throw their missiles on USA. They will not send their F-16s and drones to violate the USA air space like a certain country does in the Greek air space. They will not send their fishermen accompanied by their Coast Guard to fish in USA territorial waters and bully American fishermen like that certain country does to Greek fishermen.

Greeks are just like the Armenians IMO

You people need to experience that one war which will pull you back to reality. The armenians experienced it and woke up right away so we can be assured of its efficacy.

If you continue with that mentality, then war is coming sooner or later and when you lose it, you wont be thinking about the unfair EEZ you claim about anymore but rather how much will Turkey take from you as spoils of victory and I assure you it wont be a couple of islands only

 

[GoatsMilk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2093811422413070632

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Why wouldn't they welcome it? Those countries don't wish USA wouldn't exist like they do for Israel. They will not throw their missiles on USA. They will not send their F-16s and drones to violate the USA air space like a certain country does in the Greek air space. They will not send their fishermen accompanied by their Coast Guard to fish in USA territorial waters and bully American fishermen like that certain country does to Greek fishermen.

The Greek claims over the Aegean are just absurd.

You should be attempting to meet Türkiye in the middle rather than falling into the trap being set up for you.

Do you seriously think you stand a chance? Do you really think Türkiye will get bogged down like Russia? It will be a quick war.

Let's be real, even if you spent 10x on your defence budget, tried to emulate the Turkish military, you'll still be at a huge disadvantage.

F-35s and layered defence won't save you if this war ever starts.

 

[Fatman17]

Erdogan’s tilt

Turkiye’s military pact with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan is astonishing.

www.dawn.com

In analysing Turkey’s role in world affairs today, we have to ignore the decades preceding Erdogan’s entry into politics with his arrest in 1999 for reciting a politically provocative poem. He became prime minister in 2003 and president in 2014. What is astonishing today is Erdogan-led Turkiye’s plunge into a pan-Islamic military relationship with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. According to the Makkah Defence Alliance, an attack on any of the three countries will mean an attack on all of them.

 

[Fatman17]

Mecca pact, SCO, NATO: Türkiye’s multilateral foreign policy | Column

Türkiye is expanding its multidimensional diplomacy, forging ties across rival power centers while strengthening its role as a pivotal global player

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Türkiye’s multidimensional and multilateral diplomacy has once again come into view at the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit.

The Mecca Joint Defense Agreement, which made headlines and sparked widespread global discussion in recent weeks, has established an important security axis among Türkiye, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. As new states join this emerging security axis, Türkiye will create a new area of cooperation that could become one of the world’s significant centers of power and security.

At a time when war rhetoric is frequently heard across the world, Türkiye is adopting an approach that places peace at the center of all the alliances and cooperation mechanisms it establishes.

 

[Barry]

And the expected happened: Greece has 0 control over the Israeli weapons they're buying.

Fell for it again. Imagine being a Greek citizen and getting dragged into a shooting war with Turkiye because Israel decided it for you. Inshallah every scenario has been gamed and our people and firepower put an end to these demon's surrounding us.

 

[Sanchez]

And the expected happened: Greece has 0 control over the Israeli weapons they're buying.

Fell for it again. Imagine being a Greek citizen and getting dragged into a shooting war with Turkiye because Israel decided it for you. Inshallah every scenario has been gamed and our people and firepower put an end to these demon's surrounding us.

That's not how weapon acquisition works. Greece has the same level or more control over their Israeli weapons than we have on S-400 or F-16.

 

[Yasar_TR]

That's now how weapon acquisition works. Greece has the same level or more control over their Israeli weapons than we have on S-400 or F-16.

Exactly! When you buy weapon systems you pay over the odds, especially when it is clear that you need them. Add to that the current atmosphere of political and military uncertainty; it is not very feasible to pay for weapons in this climate. But when you feel desperate then you have no choice.

Greece mainland with its seas plus Aegean islands with its surrounding seas adds up to 347000 square kilometres. That is half of total Turkish mainland.

No particulars of the Achilles Shield System that Greece is purchasing have been made public. But a system that costs 3.4 billion dollars is not going to be able to give full protection to such a large area.
A radar capable of detecting medium range ballistic missiles like the one in Kurecik will cost well in excess of 1 billion dollars.

To give a rough idea; as a rule of thumb, on a modern AD destroyer like tf2000 the main radar would cost 25% of the vessel’s total cost. That means 0.4billion dollars for a detection range of 400km. To cover that much area would require many of those radars.

In short 3.4 billion dollars is not going to be nowhere enough to give full protection.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Exactly! When you buy weapon systems you pay over the odds, especially when it is clear that you need them. Add to that the current atmosphere of political and military uncertainty; it is not very feasible to pay for weapons in this climate. But when you feel desperate then you have no choice.

Greece mainland with its seas plus Aegean islands with its surrounding seas adds up to 347000 square kilometres. That is half of total Turkish mainland.

No particulars of the Achilles Shield System that Greece is purchasing have been made public. But a system that costs 3.4 billion dollars is not going to be able to give full protection to such a large area.
A radar capable of detecting medium range ballistic missiles like the one in Kurecik will cost well in excess of 1 billion dollars.

To give a rough idea; as a rule of thumb, on a modern AD destroyer like tf2000 the main radar would cost 25% of the vessel’s total cost. That means 0.4billion dollars for a detection range of 400km. To cover that much area would require many of those radars.

In short 3.4 billion dollars is not going to be nowhere enough to give full protection.

After the pager incident, the isrealis have pretty much shown themselves that they will sink to no low to gain an advantage over their foes. Probably the air defence systems will be hooked into the Isreali military and if need be can be fired by them to provoke a war. Risky situation for the greeks, especially when the isrealis consider everyone dumb goyim.

 

[Pokemonte13]

After the pager incident, the isrealis have pretty much shown themselves that they will sink to no low to gain an advantage over their foes. Probably the air defence systems will be hooked into the Isreali military and if need be can be fired by them to provoke a war. Risky situation for the greeks, especially
when the isrealis consider everyone dumb goyim.

its likely that they technically could but it seriously harm their ability sell weapons. Most likely they just have access to all the data those system are gathering

 

[nick.f76]

What Israeli-designed "Achilles Shield" entails for Greece, former intelligence officer reveals - ProtoThema English

Athens is not simply buying David's Sling, Spyder and Barak MX. For the first time, it is creating a single, multi-layered network that will see, assess

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The Israeli model cannot simply be copied wholesale. Geography is perhaps the biggest difference. Israel is a narrow, relatively compact strip of land, where critical centres (metropolitan areas, military bases, energy facilities and infrastructure) can be organised within a more clearly defined space. Greece, by contrast, has a large mainland area, mountainous terrain, extensive sea zones and hundreds of inhabited islands. There can therefore be no single dome placed over the entire country.

Feferman believes this changes the layout rather than the underlying philosophy. Greek authorities will need to decide which points constitute critical nodes: military and air bases, airports, ports, energy facilities, key civilian infrastructure, major population centres and, of course, specific islands. Different air defence hubs will then be built around these points, though they will not function as isolated pockets of technology.

Everything has to feed back into the same operational picture. The point, he stresses, is to avoid gaps between different capabilities, while also avoiding a situation where two or three systems end up expending valuable munitions against the same threat.

This is where a shift emerges that has more to do with twenty-first century warfare than with traditional Greek thinking on air defence. The war in Ukraine, the attacks in the Red Sea and, above all, Israel’s successive conflicts have shown that the most expensive missile is not always the most significant threat. A large-scale attack using dozens or hundreds of far cheaper drones can simply be designed to saturate the defence and exhaust interceptor stockpiles. The problem, then, is also an economic one. It makes little sense to shoot down a target worth a few thousand euros with a missile costing hundreds of thousands, when a cheaper and equally safe alternative exists.

An incoming missile or drone can be identified by the network, its likely target area calculated, and the system can then help the operator decide whether it needs to be intercepted, which weapon should be used, or whether its trajectory does not justify expending a valuable interceptor. Artificial intelligence, he stresses, speeds up this process but does not replace the human element. “There is a human element at the end,” he says, particularly when available munitions are limited and choices have to be made.

Israel’s experience adds a second dimension here that is often missing from discussions about interceptors: passive defence. Even the best systems do not achieve an absolute success rate. Israel therefore invested heavily in an extensive population warning system, capable of narrowing an alert down to specific cities and, in some cases, to specific areas within a city.

Feferman points out that public education, shelters and the ability of the population to know within minutes what to do are all part of the same defence equation. For Greece, then, the “Shield” is gradually opening up a discussion that goes beyond military bases: how civil protection should be organised in the face of a modern missile attack or mass drone assault.