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[Sanchez]

The exaggeration in this place is killing me. US navy doesn't really rely on frigates like we do mate, in fact, I think these were the first ones. They don't even use cruisers, they use destroyers; of which they have a fuck ton already and building like half a dozen right now.

Not at all. They used to have plenty of frigates, 50 Knox and 50 OHPs served in USN between 60s and 90s. USN always saw frigates as escort ships, to escort convoys that would carry vital materiel and manpower between US and Europe against submarines and surface raiders. Now in Pacific, they will rely on convoys again, but they don't have escorts. Destroyer number is simply not enough. Constellation was to bring back the escort role at a fraction of price of a destroyer, but they fumbled that. They don't have enough escorts now.

They also used to have plenty of cruisers as well, for fleet air defence, like Belknaps and later Ticonderogas. Arleigh Burkes grew and grew in size and scope and with Aegis, were able to replace the cruiser role mostly. Arleigh Burke class, especially after Flight IIa are really nearly the most perfect ship, great all rounder, but they are just too expensive with new Flight IIIs coming at 2 billion+ and they simply don't have enough of them. As a single ship touted as that can do everything from ASW to surface warfare to air defence and BMD, they simply lack the numbers to do all of these mission sets. They need to compartmentalize.

 

[uçuyorum]

Not at all. They used to have plenty of frigates, 50 Knox and 50 OHPs served in USN between 60s and 90s. USN always saw frigates as escort ships, to escort convoys that would carry vital materiel and manpower between US and Europe against submarines and surface raiders. Now in Pacific, they will rely on convoys again, but they don't have escorts. Destroyer number is simply not enough. Constellation was to bring back the escort role at a fraction of price of a destroyer, but they fumbled that. They don't have enough escorts now.

They also used to have plenty of cruisers as well, for fleet air defence, like Belknaps and later Ticonderogas. Arleigh Burkes grew and grew in size and scope and with Aegis, were able to replace the cruiser role mostly. Arleigh Burke class, especially after Flight IIa are really nearly the most perfect ship, great all rounder, but they are just too expensive with new Flight IIIs coming at 2 billion+ and they simply don't have enough of them. As a single ship touted as that can do everything from ASW to surface warfare to air defence and BMD, they simply lack the numbers to do all of these mission sets. They need to compartmentalize.

And the burke successor is heavier than ticonderoga. They seriously should have bought frems as is

 

[TheInsider]

Burke Flight III is really expensive. I wouldn't be surprised if China produces its battlecruiser with a similar price tag.
Meanwhile, China is spamming Type-052D destroyers and Type 055 cruisers (China classifies them as destroyers, NATO classifies them as cruisers)

 

[Strong AI]

⚓️TCG AKHİSAR is being replaced by TCG SEFERİHİSAR!

In place of the TCG AKHİSAR Light Corvette exported to Romania, the superior-capability SEFERİHİSAR will be constructed and delivered to the Turkish Naval Forces.

Planning for 10 ships for the HİSAR-class ADKG continues.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1999403867285430655

 

[Sanchez]

⚓️TCG AKHİSAR is being replaced by TCG SEFERİHİSAR!

In place of the TCG AKHİSAR Light Corvette exported to Romania, the superior-capability SEFERİHİSAR will be constructed and delivered to the Turkish Naval Forces.

Planning for 10 ships for the HİSAR-class ADKG continues.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1999403867285430655

It will be built in Istanbul naval shipyard and not the private consortium, so he's not mentioning one of the 4 consortium is set to build; no losing numbers. Interesting nonetheless. @Anmdt will they have space for both Seferihisar and TF2000?

 

[Pokemonte13]

It will be built in Istanbul naval shipyard and not the private consortium, so he's not mentioning one of the 4 consortium is set to build; no losing numbers. Interesting nonetheless. @Anmdt will they have space for both Seferihisar and TF2000?

Not the same shipyard the other one.
Same one were Hücumbot is built

 

[Sanchez]

Not the same shipyard the other one.
Same one were Hücumbot is built

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That's the Istanbul Shipyard, which is private. They are building the first FAC with STM.

Speaker clearly says Istanbul Tersanesi Komutanlığı, which is the Istanbul Naval Shipyard Command, it's situated to the north. 2 OPVs were built there and now speaker says a new OPV will be built by them.

Istanbul Naval Shipyard built the 4 Adas, 1st Istif, OPVs and now started construction on TF-2000 and will start construction of MUGEM. This is giving them a new project. How should we read this? Navy was maybe unhappy with one of their soon to enter service OPVs to replace Buraks being nabbed from them so they asked for extra budget to build one but as all private shipyards were at capacity will build it themselves? How will that work exactly with two huge projects like TF-2000 and MUGEM?

 

[boredaf]

⚓️TCG AKHİSAR is being replaced by TCG SEFERİHİSAR!

In place of the TCG AKHİSAR Light Corvette exported to Romania, the superior-capability SEFERİHİSAR will be constructed and delivered to the Turkish Naval Forces.

Planning for 10 ships for the HİSAR-class ADKG continues.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1999403867285430655

@Anmdt (or anyone with knowledge on the matter) what are the changes made between two ships?

 

[Anmdt]

@Anmdt (or anyone with knowledge on the matter) what are the changes made between two ships?

Recent design has; VLS (Short), As much as possible Aselsan subsystems (for them offering the lowest price, and SSB being able to bargain effectively with them). Pretty much same for the rest. Someone once rumored CENK-300 (Arda) for radar in place of CENK-200, but i don't have concrete knowledge.

I can't really tell why, logic dictates that once the ship is transferred the name is available for reassignment unless that Navy believes it is jinxed.

So my guess is that; when Istanbul Shipyard Command has signed the contract earlier in IDEF, for 4 OPVs, the first hull was named as Seferihisar, and for sake of saving paperwork Akhisar is reserved for a latter hulls which is not yet defined. Imo hull pennant numbers also will continue from a certain number and 1211 will be used later.

 

[Anmdt]

It will be built in Istanbul naval shipyard and not the private consortium, so he's not mentioning one of the 4 consortium is set to build; no losing numbers. Interesting nonetheless. @Anmdt will they have space for both Seferihisar and TF2000?

They can built TF2000 - OPVs side by side, assuming that MUGEM is not progressing a lot, and TF2000's construction details are recently shaping, first two OPVs can be built relatively quicker for being steel division's mere focus. But once TF2000 takes the lead and MUGEM gets to the block construction, i don't think Naval Shipyard will have much resources left for additional two OPVs.

 

[Yasar_TR]

@Anmdt (or anyone with knowledge on the matter) what are the changes made between two ships?

According to given statements, TCG Seferihisar is a later, more advanced version featuring indigenous systems like a MIDLAS Vertical Launch System for missiles and an improved superstructure, essentially a "Mini I-Class with CODELOD propulsion”.

Hence all radar and FCS s will be upgraded.

It is logical to think that it will have more comprehensive self defence and more potent assault missiles and electronic systems to support it.

Specific armaments and sensors will come as and when the ship is ready. But may be @Anmdt can enlighten us further.

So somehow we are creating a better Burak, more potent Ada and a more economical smaller İstif.

 

[Sanchez]

They can built TF2000 - OPVs side by side, assuming that MUGEM is not progressing a lot, and TF2000's construction details are recently shaping, first two OPVs can be built relatively quicker for being steel division's mere focus. But once TF2000 takes the lead and MUGEM gets to the block construction, i don't think Naval Shipyard will have much resources left for additional two OPVs.

I get that you're thinking Koçhisar will go too?

In this case, these two ships either will be the fastest delivered Milgems ever, or they will only arrive in 2030s.

 

[Anmdt]

I get that you're thinking Koçhisar will go too?

In this case, these two ships either will be the fastest delivered Milgems ever, or they will only arrive in 2030s.

I think both shall be completed (structurally) and started outfitting by midst of 2027 - which is when TF2000 construction will be the real-deal for the shipyard. By end of 2028 at leat first of them should be delivered. Two and half year isn't too bad. I don't know where Naval Shipyard will squeeze another two, or how. 2027-2030 will be a cramped term unless that MUGEM scrapped, or postponed.

We should also remember Desan is building the other one, and possibly Dearsan will start construction of another, and optionally they may adress two more at Istanbul Shipyard (after delivery of Malaysian LMS). Which altogether, makes us at 5 OPVs by end of 2030, mininum.

At the moment Koçhisar doesn't make much sense for Navy, having no commonality, no sistership a logistical burden to up keep certain components what is just operational on Akhisar (also consider price of spares and maintenance for such one of its kind only components). It is either that Romania hasn't had the budget assigned, for Kochisar, or Navy doesn't want to sell in midst of personnel training, since they will be reassigned to upcoming ships.