Pakistan-India Conflict (2025)

[Jackdaws]

Indian military has made it absolutely clear: there is nothing inside Pakistan that India can’t target and wipe out. The message is simple, De-nuclearisation is not off the table if they push their luck too far.

I don’t think that’s going to happen. Realistically, Pak can’t just hope that India will go the entire diplomatic route and keep giving dossiers which Pak tosses in the bin. They provoke and there will be retaliation.

 

[Huelague]

What is the final solution for Kashmir?

 

[Zapper]

We wouldn’t know for sure if it was jammed or not. But following the simple reasoning, if IAF could jam it, that Rafale wouldn’t have gone down like it did. Given how Spectra failed, I doubt any other EW suite in IAF inventory could Jam it.

Agree the PL-15 might've not have been jammed but we've seen multiple mostly/fully intact PL-15s recovered suggesting either they malfunctioned, fired at dmax or jammed. IAF does have a layered EW setup including ground based and AWACS that could've played a role since intact seekers suggest they might've been jammed mid-flight, not necessarily fuel exhaustion

And while the Rafale’s Spectra suite may not be foolproof (no EW system is), it’s a stretch to claim that a single loss (which also lacks credible confirmation as being a Rafale and I do admit IAF lost 2 jets) invalidates the capability of the platform or IAF’s overall EW doctrine. Even if a Rafale were downed (hypothetically) that doesn’t preclude rapid tactical adaptations by IAF

Strategically speaking, India’s layered air defense, jamming architecture, integrated command across defense assets, AWACS, and SAM networks held up under live combat conditions. The fact that not a single pakistani missile was able to penetrate our AD/jammers while we could effectively target their airbases and strategic assets shows the clear winner in this conflict from a defense platform standpoint is India's AD and missiles like Brahmos

 

[Zapper]

What is the final solution for Kashmir?

We will continue to have such limited conflicts moving forward with both sides ensuring calculated and calibrated response

Imo, we'd keep our part while they keep theirs for the foreseeable future

 

[Afif]

Agree the PL-15 might've not have been jammed but we've seen multiple mostly/fully intact PL-15s recovered suggesting either they malfunctioned, fired at dmax or jammed. IAF does have a layered EW setup including ground based and AWACS that could've played a role since intact seekers suggest they might've been jammed mid-flight, not necessarily fuel exhaustion.

i am not sure, how intact seeker suggest it has been jammed. These components are built for extreme G tolerance. They are usually intact when they fall out of sky.

In BVR combat not every missile launched is intended to score a kill. A lot of it are launched as part of BVR maneuver tactics. Kind of like artillery fire. Some of its are suppressive in nature. Not necessarily intended to score a kill. I remember doing CMO sim to test out BVR engagement. There was like 2 kill per 8 missiles fired.

And while the Rafale’s Spectra suite may not be foolproof (no EW system is), it’s a stretch to claim that a single loss (which also lacks credible confirmation as being a Rafale and I do admit IAF lost 2 jets) invalidates the capability of the platform or IAF’s overall EW doctrine. Even if a Rafale were downed (hypothetically) that doesn’t preclude rapid tactical adaptations by IAF

Strategically speaking, India’s layered air defense, jamming architecture, integrated command across defense assets, AWACS, and SAM networks held up under live combat conditions. The fact that not a single pakistani missile was able to penetrate our AD/jammers while we could effectively target their airbases and strategic assets shows the clear winner in this conflict from a defense platform standpoint is India's AD and missiles like Brahmos

I do agree that India defensive capabilities did its job and India came out with relative upper hand from this exchange. But then unlike India which threw some of its best and heavy weapons like Brahmos and Scalp, Pakistan didn’t respond similarly with heavy firepower. They had some ACM and TBM with heavy warhead. Yet they only fired guided MLRS (fatah-1) in small number and some air launched CM-400AKG. Most of its were intercepted. Even if it weren’t, they couldn't do much damage on Indian infra like brahmos did on Pak air bases. Why didn’t they use heavy firepower. Likely they lacked sufficient inventory of those systems to escalate. Which is still a win for India I guess.

 

[Huelague]

We will continue to have such limited conflicts moving forward with both sides ensuring calculated and calibrated response

Imo, we'd keep our part while they keep theirs for the foreseeable future

And that’s satisfactory for you? I mean „Status Quo“‘ is a worse thing.

 

[Zapper]

i am not sure, how intact seeker suggest it has been jammed. These components are built for extreme G tolerance. They are usually intact when they fall out of sky.

It’s that multiple PL-15s were recovered mostly undamaged without ever completing terminal engagement, and without significant target impact or self-destruction events (which modern missiles often perform if they miss or lose lock). That pattern suggests (not proves) potential soft kills via jamming, decoys, or spoofing, especially when missiles didn’t track or detonate as expected.

In BVR combat not every missile launched is intended to score a kill. A lot of it are launched as part of BVR maneuver tactics. Kind of like artillery fire. Some of its are suppressive in nature. Not necessarily intended to score a kill. I remember doing CMO sim to test out BVR engagement. There was like 2 kill per 8 missiles fired.

In BVR doctrine, suppression still requires credible terminal guidance where a missile must at least pose a threat to force defensive reactions. If multiple missiles consistently fail to guide or self-destruct early w/o triggering any defensive maneuvering, it can indicate their terminal phase was compromised, potentially by EW. Again, this is a theory I have but I don't think we'd really get to know the actual facts

 

[Zapper]

And that’s satisfactory for you? I mean „Status Quo“‘ is a worse thing.

This isn't a Israeli-Hamas equation where we can comfortably launch a ground invasion to change the status-quo

 

[Zapper]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1932296879745995144

 

[Jackdaws]

What is the final solution for Kashmir?

It’s the complete integration of the erstwhile Kingdom of J&K into the Indian Union according to the Treaty of Accession signed by the Maharaja of Kashmir. The Independence of India Act of the British Parliament - agreed to by both India and Pakistan - gave the Maharaja the right to integrate with whoever he chose. Is this feasible in the short term? No. But that’s the ultimate aim.

And that’s satisfactory for you? I mean „Status Quo“‘ is a worse thing.

I agree it’s not sustainable. It’s also a fact that India controls the actual Kashmir valley. The part of Kashmir that Pakistani occupies - they don’t even speak Kashmiri. And after crying to the whole world about “Kashmiri rights” - Pakistan happily ceded a part of Kashmir to China sometime in the 1960s.

 

[Jackdaws]

Enjoyed watching the Pakistani Senator squirm in this video

Apparently, this is the quality of the delegation that Pak has sent around to world to make its case

 

[Gessler]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1936098796523733136

I think we know definitively now as to who asked for the ceasefire first.

‘Diplomatic intervention’: Pakistan nominates Donald Trump for 2026 Nobel Peace Prize; cites role in India-Pakistan crisis - Times of India

Pakistan has nominated Donald Trump for the 2026 Nobel Peace Prize, citing his role in de-escalating tensions between India and Pakistan. Trump himself has claimed he deserves the award for multiple peace efforts, including preventing a war between the two nuclear-armed nations. He also...

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

^^ While India continues to maintain that he had no role to play in the ceasefire agreement:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-06-18/modi-pushes-back-against-trump-s-claim-on-pakistan-ceasefire?embedded-checkout=true

 

[Jackdaws]

Seems the Pakistanis really want to be as servile to Trump and USA as they can be for saving them. Now nominated him for a Nobel Peace Prize

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/21/asia/pakistan-trump-nobel-peace-prize-nomination-intlPakistan nominates Trump for Nobel Peace Prize, praising ‘stellar statemanship’ | CNN

 

[Jackdaws]

First Bhutto says Pak ready to handover terrorists like Hafiz Saeed to India

https://www.businesstoday.in/world/...-hafiz-saeeds-son-hits-back-483290-2025-07-06

Then Hafiz Saeed son responds.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1941863611305259378

Makes you wonder what kind of banana republic Pakistan is

 

[Jackdaws]

First Bhutto says Pak ready to handover terrorists like Hafiz Saeed to India

https://www.businesstoday.in/world/...-hafiz-saeeds-son-hits-back-483290-2025-07-06

Then Hafiz Saeed son responds.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1941863611305259378

Makes you wonder what kind of banana republic Pakistan is

 

[dronie]

First Bhutto says Pak ready to handover terrorists like Hafiz Saeed to India

https://www.businesstoday.in/world/...-hafiz-saeeds-son-hits-back-483290-2025-07-06

Then Hafiz Saeed son responds.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1941863611305259378

Makes you wonder what kind of banana republic Pakistan is

Come on man according to some here we are the rogue country who has terrorists magically come up with pak G3s and pak ordinance factory grenades and kill our citizens and when we strike back we are the baddies.

 

[Jackdaws]

Come on man according to some here we are the rogue country who has terrorists magically come up with pak G3s and pak ordinance factory grenades and kill our citizens and when we strike back we are the baddies.

Never heard any such thing here.

 

[dronie]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1942107385889272271

well done.

 

[Nilgiri]

Interview | USAF Veteran on Op Sindoor, Need for Transparency on Losses, 'Source Code Diplomacy'

Lt Gen David A. Deptula (retired) says that source code is the new sovereign edge in fighter jet diplomacy and is often used as a bargaining chip.

thewire.in

 

[GoatsMilk]

Enjoyed watching the Pakistani Senator squirm in this video

Apparently, this is the quality of the delegation that Pak has sent around to world to make its case

Pakistanis probably thought if they send a lighter skinned women dressed like a westerner it will do wonders for their image. But truth be told if you send a idiot like this onto a Zionist affiliated media entity like sky news, its your own fault if you end up looking a fool.

I've seen shitty politicians, diplomates from AK party getting cooked the same way on western media. None of them made any effort to prepare for the obvious questions they would get. They go on these propaganda entities and then humilated the entire nation. Because at the end of the day all western media entities that cover the news are propaganda outlets first and foremost. Its not about informing the public its about misdirecting them towards geopolitical ambitions of the nations who own the media.

The real trick is to have your own media channels and only do interviews on there. That way the message you want to push 100% goes your way every time.