Pakistan Pakistan Navy Milgem Project

[TR_123456]

I'm really confused by the terms "Jinnah class", and "Babur class".The only thing I understand is that it's 2 different projects.

The Jinnah class is the continuation of the Pakistani Indigenous warships project.
Just like with the Turkish Milgem project,4 corvettes,4 light frigates,7+ destroyers.
Pakistan started with 4 Babur class corvettes then 4 or more Jinnah frigates after that maybe an indigenous destroyer.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

The Jinnah class is the continuation of the Pakistani Indigenous warships project.
Just like with the Turkish Milgem project,4 corvettes,4 light frigates,7+ destroyers.
Pakistan started with 4 Babur class corvettes then 4 or more Jinnah frigates after that maybe an indigenous destroyer.

Got you. So 4 ada class under the name of Babur, and 4 Jinnah class frigates tailored to their own needs. So how much for both deals? I have only heard about one deal that @Anmdt mentioned of 1.5 billion usd.

 

[TR_123456]

Got you. So 4 ada class under the name of Babur, and 4 Jinnah class frigates tailored to their own needs. So how much for both deals? I have only heard about one deal that @Anmdt mentioned of 1.5 billion usd.

No,not exactly ADA class,they are modified so we cant call them ADA class.
The Jinnah class is a pakistani initiative,although there will be some help from the Turkish side but it will be an indigenous project.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

No,not exactly ADA class,they are modified so we cant call them ADA class.
The Jinnah class is a pakistani initiative,although there will be some help from the Turkish side but it will be an indigenous project.

True now i remember, the babur class is around 2900 tons! Will the jinnah class be a heavier frigate?

 

[Afif]

No,not exactly ADA class,they are modified so we cant call them ADA class.
The Jinnah class is a pakistani initiative,although there will be some help from the Turkish side but it will be an indigenous project.

But it will have Turkish sensors and CMS right ?

 

[TR_123456]

True now i remember, the babur class is around 2900 tons! Will the jinnah class be a heavier frigate?

Pakistan’s Babur-class Main specifications:

• Displacement: 2,926 tonnes
• Length: 108.2 m
• Beam: 14.8 m
• Draft: 4.05 m
• Propulsion: CODAG
• Max speed: 31 knots
• Range: 3500 nautical miles
• Endurance: 15 days at sea
• Crew: 93+40

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[Bogeyman]

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[Anmdt]

I'm really confused by the terms "Jinnah class", and "Babur class".The only thing I understand is that it's 2 different projects.

Jinnah Class is a separate project, even though it was first intended to start right away from Jinnah Class, for certain reasons the project has begun from Babur Class. Babur Class is technically expanded Ada Class with a longer length, more displacement but protecting the core design.

Got you. So 4 ada class under the name of Babur, and 4 Jinnah class frigates tailored to their own needs. So how much for both deals? I have only heard about one deal that @Anmdt mentioned of 1.5 billion usd.

Jinnah Class is actually a design launched by Pakistan, and the project which know-how and ToT is clearly taking place. It is also a design where PN is being assisted to establish a design office and test centers similar to the Milgem DPO of TN and their collaborators in the academia. The project is funded by Pakistan, IP rights are jointly owned (this part is slightly confusing) and design studies are being conducted by Turkish company Kuasar Marin (assisted by TN Milgem DPO/Armerkom) while on-job training is provided for Pakistani officers that will be working as first members of PN Design office.

That is why Jinnah Class is tailored for PN with every aspect, but still inheriting design features from Ada Class /Babur Class to simplify the transition process at the production.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

That is why Jinnah Class is tailored for PN with every aspect, but still inheriting design features from Ada Class /Babur Class to simplify the transition process at the production.

Correct! I will quote one of the comments you made a year ago concerning the deal of the PN milgem/babur.

"The PN Milgem was 3000 tonnes, and including ToT, training of Pakistani engineers, know-how transfer and IP rights for 4 hulls, the price tag was $1.5B. Holding IP rights means that KS&EW holds blue prints and may conduct maintenance, repair on their own, as well produce additional hulls, modify it or sell it solely on their own (legally)".


Does Pakistan have to pay for additional hulls if they decide to produce 4 more warships when they have the IP rights?

 

[Anmdt]

"The PN Milgem was 3000 tonnes, and including ToT, training of Pakistani engineers, know-how transfer and IP rights for 4 hulls, the price tag was $1.5B. Holding IP rights means that KS&EW holds blue prints and may conduct maintenance, repair on their own, as well produce additional hulls, modify it or sell it solely on their own (legally)".

I am not sure of the IP rights of PN Milgem at the moment. Initially the program meant to start from Jinnah Class straight away where PN would acquire the IP rights. However the remaining parts stands to be true, know-how and technology transfer taking place at Jinnah class as part of the agreement. However, if i remember correctly they are financing the project.

Does Pakistan have to pay for additional hulls if they decide to produce 4 more warships when they have the IP rights?

For Jinnah class no, but for PN Milgem, they might need to. As told before, it is uncertain at this point on my side.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

I am not sure of the IP rights of PN Milgem at the moment. Initially the program meant to start from Jinnah Class straight away where PN would acquire the IP rights. However the remaining parts stands to be true, know-how and technology transfer taking place at Jinnah class as part of the agreement. However, if i remember correctly they are financing the project.

Got you! Perhaps Pakistan will get the IP rights based on the Jinnah class, and not the PN Milgem.

For Jinnah class no, but for PN Milgem, they might need to. As told before, it is uncertain at this point on my side.

Awesome deal regardless! I guess we will have to wait for more news

 

[Anmdt]

underwater-related (referring to any component that is literally under the water) subsystems are installed on the first ship of the Babur-Class corvette. Fin-stabilizer, shafts, engines, propeller, rudder, sonar and other sensors or mechanical parts are installed. The process has begun for the second ship of the class, 282 in Karachi Shipyard.