Pandemic has widened India-China GDP gap

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Pandemic has widened India-China GDP gap
V Venkateswara Rao, DEC 29 2020, 01:53 IST

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India had overtaken the UK in 2019 to become the fifth-largest economy in the world but has been relegated to the sixth spot in 2020. "India has been knocked off course somewhat through the impact of the pandemic. As a result, after overtaking the UK in 2019, the UK overtakes India again in this year's forecasts and stays ahead till 2024 before India takes over again," the UK-based think tank, Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR) said in an annual report published on Saturday.

"GDP in Q2 (April-June) 2020 was 23.9% below its 2019 level, indicating that nearly a quarter of the country's economic activity was wiped out by the drying up of global demand and the collapse of domestic demand that accompanied the series of strict national lockdowns," CEBR said about the impact of the lockdown on the Indian economy.

However, CEBR projected that India, the world's second-most populous country, would become the world's third-largest economy by 2035, 15 years down the line. India, after overtaking France and the UK last year, had fallen back behind the UK as a result of a sharp fall in the value of the rupee. But the dip will be short-lived, and India will once again be one course to be the third-biggest economy by 2035.


CBER also said that China will overtake the US in 2028 to become the world's biggest economy, five years earlier than previouslyestimated due to the contrasting recoveries of the two countries from the Covid-19 pandemic. In its annual league table of the growth prospects of 193 countries, the UK-based consultancy group said China had bounced back quickly from the effects of Covid-19 and would grow by 2% in 2020, as the one major global economy to expand. With the US expected to contract by 5% this year, China will narrow the gap with its larger rival.

The pandemic has different economic outcomes for India and China. India is now pushed back by five years, expected to reclaim its fifth-largest economy spot only in 2024. On the other hand, due to better economic recovery from the Covid-19 pandemic in China, it has advanced by five years and is set to overtake the US economy five years ahead of the earlier estimated year of 2033.


In a nutshell, due to the paths taken by India and China during the pandemic and the consequent paths they will take to economic recovery, China's economy has advanced by five years and the Indian economy has been pushed back by five years. This, in turn, will create a further 10-year gap between India and China in terms of their per capita GDP incomes. At present India's per capita income is only a fifth of China's per capita income. China's nominal GDP per capita was $9,580 and India's nominal GDP per capita was $2,038 in 2018. So, China's GDP per capita was 4.7 times higher than India's in 2018.

The CEBR further said that India's economy had been losing momentum even ahead of the shock delivered by the Covid-19 crisis. "Slowing growth (in India) has been a consequence of a confluence of factors, including fragility in the banking system, adjustment to reforms and a deceleration of global trade," it said. Even before the pandemic had set in, India's GDP growth sank to a 11-year low of 4.2% in 2019, down from 6.1% the previous year and around half the 8.3% growth rate recorded in 2016.

Even though the think tank was gentle in its criticism of demonetisation and the new agriculture laws passed in India, the message was eloquent -- that such reforms should have been done in a more calibrated and consultative manner. The low fiscal stimulus spending by the Indian government has also come for a rap by the think tank. The Indian government's stimulus spending in response to the Covid-19 crisis has been significantly more restrained than that of most other large economies, CEBR noted.

"In the medium to long term, reforms such as the 2016 demonetisation and more recently the controversial efforts to liberalise the agricultural sector can deliver economic benefits," CEBR said. However, with the majority of the Indian workforce employed in the agricultural sector, the reform process requires a delicate and gradual approach that balances the need for longer-term efficiency gains with the need to support incomes in the short-term, CEBR observed.

“Despite the rapid ascent of countries such as India and Indonesia, it is striking how little an impact this will have on the US and China’s dominant roles in the global economy. Indeed, their (US and China) share of world GDP is forecast to rise to 42% by 2034," said Pablo Shah, Senior Economist at CEBR.

 

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Year 2020 is just one year, but the gap bwt China and India had been widened for one more decade.
 

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People (that are too afraid to use their real name from PDF) can copy paste spam all the cherrypicked curated articles they want. Who are we to judge the time they have and what they do with it and why.

But they dont have enough of another thing to explain certain things like this:


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It takes some understanding on the issues more deeply. Its antithetical to the agenda.
 

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People (that are too afraid to use their real name from PDF) can copy paste spam all the cherrypicked curated articles they want. Who are we to judge the time they have and what they do with it and why.

But they dont have enough of another thing to explain certain things like this:


vs.


It takes some understanding on the issues more deeply. Its antithetical to the agenda.
China's GDP trend in the coming years is widely reported by global sources from various channels, you can google and find the common consensus among the global economists on this subject, they are not rare cherrypicked studies. of course you can always deny them.
 

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too afraid to use their real name from PDF

A) Guess the smart bean counter just lets that ^^^ slide, because truth hurts (as usual)...and then people will just get into what the smart bean counter said/did in the past in the other places (esp regarding the Turks). We can't have that can we. Things have to be propped up some hollow cringey way rather than fleshed out. But I guess its free world to be deficient in certain things.

B) Misses the whole point and proves my point yet again (again doesn't get the basic principle of what GDP even is or its variants)...basic things like how does an exchange rate track inflation and its consequence on GDP (and the basic rationale for the variants to exist). Instead points to "google please" ....consensus stronk cuz I say so:


(Far more can be searched (if its your favourite pastime like the bean counter, and "consensus" reached another way)...but this basic fact is lost on the bean counter that totally isn't a bean counter somewhere else.

C) Apparently saying "cherrypicking" means I'm denying some variant of it (whatever the variant's accuracy and impact and actual relevance on the matter of concern...which is of course something that needs basic economic understanding, rather than google, copy paste ability which is more lorded in echo chamber places with sycophants and toadies the bean counter is totally not dependent on).

All super logical and very creative too. Very "typical" of his lot. There be beans and they need counting!

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Anyway it may be impossible to change bean counters set in their ways. The media is propaganda one way, but truth another....all depends on what it is saying for the bean counter to fit square peg into circle hole and say its working.

Bean counters totally are changing the larger impression of what their regime/employer is, and how they act....rather than just confirming what they are to people that already know that here.

It is all a better conversation to have with real people who actually know what they are talking about and actually are who they say they are from say PDF.

I mean Literally still posting the same articles there verbatim at same time and sequence, but bean counter is super smart and careful you see. Like any intelligent bean counter. Nothing to see about all this at all..heh.

It speaks to character and honesty in the end. Very valued concepts from it's establishment/employer as @Madokafc and many others know. Very.

This is all just a note for people who come across this thread thinking there's some new beans from the bean counter. Not really for interaction with the bean counter itself. Just so the brilliant spectacular bean counter knows.

Who knows where it is in the pecking order of bean counters, we have to think of bean counter welfare. He has quotas and deadlines to meet. If he ends up just proving the reverse of what he wants, that is not a problem. Its totally not forcefed thoughtless "headline gotcha" quantity that must comply and take a hue of quality somehow, someway.

I wonder if it will admit its PDF name now? Or double down even more on the cringe and agenda?

Questions questions...
 

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too afraid to use their real name from PDF

A) Guess the smart bean counter just lets that ^^^ slide, because truth hurts (as usual)...and then people will just get into what the smart bean counter said/did in the past in the other places (esp regarding the Turks). We can't have that can we. Things have to be propped up some hollow cringey way rather than fleshed out. But I guess its free world to be deficient in certain things.

B) Misses the whole point and proves my point yet again (again doesn't get the basic principle of what GDP even is or its variants)...basic things like how does an exchange rate track inflation and its consequence on GDP (and the basic rationale for the variants to exist). Instead points to "google please" ....consensus stronk cuz I say so:


(Far more can be searched (if its your favourite pastime like the bean counter, and "consensus" reached another way)...but this basic fact is lost on the bean counter that totally isn't a bean counter somewhere else.

C) Apparently saying "cherrypicking" means I'm denying some variant of it (whatever the variant's accuracy and impact and actual relevance on the matter of concern...which is of course something that needs basic economic understanding, rather than google, copy paste ability which is more lorded in echo chamber places with sycophants and toadies the bean counter is totally not dependent on).

All super logical and very creative too. Very "typical" of his lot. There be beans and they need counting!

============================

Anyway it may be impossible to change bean counters set in their ways. The media is propaganda one way, but truth another....all depends on what it is saying for the bean counter to fit square peg into circle hole and say its working.

Bean counters totally are changing the larger impression of what their regime/employer is, and how they act....rather than just confirming what they are to people that already know that here.

It is all a better conversation to have with real people who actually know what they are talking about and actually are who they say they are from say PDF.

I mean Literally still posting the same articles there verbatim at same time and sequence, but bean counter is super smart and careful you see. Like any intelligent bean counter. Nothing to see about all this at all..heh.

It speaks to character and honesty in the end. Very valued concepts from it's establishment/employer as @Madokafc and many others know. Very.

This is all just a note for people who come across this thread thinking there's some new beans from the bean counter. Not really for interaction with the bean counter itself. Just so the brilliant spectacular bean counter knows.

Who knows where it is in the pecking order of bean counters, we have to think of bean counter welfare. He has quotas and deadlines to meet. If he ends up just proving the reverse of what he wants, that is not a problem. Its totally not forcefed thoughtless "headline gotcha" quantity that must comply and take a hue of quality somehow, someway.

I wonder if it will admit its PDF name now? Or double down even more on the cringe and agenda?

Questions questions...
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I lost my password there in PDF , so I stopped using that account. xizhimen is my most used name in various forums, Indiandefence, skyscrapercity.com....but I would like to talk about the posts and not posters, it doesn't matter who I am and who you are, as long as one can provide meaningful argument, I don't mind who gives them.

As for you don't trust Chinese stats, GDP is not the only indicator, many indicators like trade registered by both China and foreign partners are less likely to be fudged. India's GDP figure is actually more suspitious cause we can not see anything significant happen on the ground like we see in China every single day.
 
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OK you totally proved the point yet again in the way only you can.

Its very difficult and impossible to create more accounts in other forums, especially for use while you get bans and timeouts. Super super hard, actually impossible.

You really gonna head down that tangent too.

Phew....extreme honesty and credibility like I said.

Anyway keep being you, you do most of my work for me in proving what it really is in the end. Its so funny you don't get that.
 

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OK you totally proved the point yet again in the way only you can.

Its very difficult and impossible to create more accounts in other forums, especially for use while you get bans and timeouts. Super super hard, actually impossible.

You really gonna head down that tangent too.

Phew....extreme honesty and credibility like I said.

Anyway keep being you, you do most of my work for me in proving what it really is in the end. Its so funny you don't get that.
Xizhimen is my most used name in various forums even in China, I was not banned in PDF, check the icon, it's not banned, I lost my password in PDF and I stopped using it since January 2014. and again, I would like to talk about the posts and not posters, it doesn't matter who I am and who you are, as long as one can provide meaningful argument, I don't mind who gives them.
 
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OK pal, I apologise. I got things all wrong yet again obviously. You are just a regular anonymous joe in China that we all haven't seen before.

If it doesnt matter (identity credibilty) why try so hard with the "im really just xizhimen at PDF" then?

But maybe its just another dumb moment from me yet again. My logic sucks and has failed...ouch!

Lets go back to ignoring each other as much as we can.

But I will pop up if its India in the headline. Just so you know.
 

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I've seen xizhimen in IDF too

He walks around fora like he "walks around Beijing".....from western gates to northern gates to eastern gates to southern gates.

Who are we to judge on which particular names he uses or not? :p Nothing to see there...
 

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