Political coup or constitutional right? What's going on in Tunisia?

[CEZAYIRLI]

Is the majority party MB?

It's a known fact that Arab regimes and Arabs in general hope for the worst in Tunisia, yet the current event in Tunisia is not a Coup d’état. People can conspire all they want, but law and order will prevail in Tunisia which is the only Democracy that is part of the so called "Arab League". I rest my case.

 

[Fachfouch]

Ok, beside historical artefacts, show me language,culture, cities with living people who could resemble even in far distace with hanibal people? This pop culture symbols like that fc name does not count.

from where should I start ? a lot of agriculture technics used special for the olive oil are Carthaginians... we say land ba'ali which mean the land that rely on rain Ba'al is Carthaginian god, we still eat snails which was a famous dish back then... when the rain comes we sing a song ommok tango or ommok taniqo which is the main goddess of carthage Tanit the city of Carthage still exist and it is the seat of power in Tunisia... a lot of other cities still exist since the Carthaginian times

 

[CEZAYIRLI]

And now you will be under a dictatorship which will never, ever abuse its power.

But this time you won't be able to vote it out during the next election, but be doomed to live under it forever.

And you won't be able to exercise your much-vaunted "freedom of speech" against it. The moment you do you will be arrested.

But whatever, continue to celebrate your new overlords.

Why are you bullying a member whose country is in difficulty (which in my view is only temporary) ? I just had a look at your country Bangladesh which didn't strike me as a Jeffersonian Democracy, buddy. In Human Development, Tunisia ranks much better than your country which ranks 133 globally. So why don't you worry about your country's problems instead of bullying others.

 

[TheInsider]

I think the president is doing Ennahda a big favor. Ennahda was on its way to marginalization via a democratic process. This way Ennahda would have been deleted from the political scene for good. Ennahda's votes were steadily decreasing with each election from I think %37 to 18. Now they can play the victim while portraying the president as a dictator. Ennahda will stay as a strong political figure in the future. Eventually, the president will have to go for elections again. If he denies Ennahda democratic rights he will be seen as a tyrant by many. Also, big powers got a huge hook against the Tunisian president if he doesn't comply with the demands of the big powers those can easily push the democracy and sanctions card against him. Without the backing of big powers, he will be in a dire situation. Let me tell you this, coups are never good it will always send your country backward especially if it is successful. A constitution that lets the president abolish the national assembly and give control of every power of the state apparatus to him is not a democratic constitution. Even if it is constitutionally legal what the Tunisian president did is indeed a coup.

 

[CEZAYIRLI]

I think the president is doing Ennahda a big favor. Ennahda was on its way to marginalization via a democratic process. This way Ennahda would have been deleted from the political scene for good. Ennahda's votes were steadily decreasing with each election from I think %37 to 18. Now they can play the victim while portraying the president as a dictator. Ennahda will stay as a strong political figure in the future. Eventually, the president will have to go for elections again. If he denies Ennahda democratic rights he will be seen as a tyrant by many. Also, big powers got a huge hook against the Tunisian president if he doesn't comply with the demands of the big powers those can easily push the democracy and sanctions card against him. Without the backing of big powers, he will be in a dire situation. Let me tell you this, coups are never good it will always send your country backward especially if it is successful. A constitution that lets the president abolish the national assembly and give control of every power of the state apparatus to him is not a democratic constitution. Even if it is constitutionally legal what the Tunisian president did is indeed a coup.

Analysis greatly appreciated, yet misses the fact that the duly elected President's (over 70% of Tunisians voted him in) popularity with the Tunisian public is what only matters at the end. This is not your usual Arab dictator we are talking about. Tunisia is shifting from a parliamentary to a presidential form of government. Tunisian patriots want it this way. If non-Tunisians in this thread are not happy with this important and stabilizing development in Tunisian politics, so be it.

 

[TheInsider]

We will see a sharp decrease in the president's popularity. I think he was elected with a %70 but it was mainly because of the election process. Presidential elections aren't like party elections many different political parties can support a presidential candidate. He might still win the next election but we might see a very close battle. So %70 vote doesn't tell the whole story. If I was running Ennahda, in the next election, I would be supporting a respected central right-wing figure and be a part of a greater alliance that will promise more democracy and wider personal and political rights and lifting the bans lingering from the "constitutional rule" period. Rather than pushing my own candidate against him. After that, I would have been working towards a more democratic constitution that prevents the abolishment of the national assembly and seizing the power of state apparatus by a single man.

 

[Nilgiri]

A constitution that lets the president abolish the national assembly and give control of every power of the state apparatus to him is not a democratic constitution.

How so? Who determines that objectively?

You have a point if the president (his mandate) is not elected directly by the people.

But he is very much elected by the people....he is a democratic agent.

The debate on separation of powers w.r.t democracy (and how they can overrule each other or if there is hierarchy) is different one past that becomes all together subjective exercise.

Even if it is constitutionally legal what the Tunisian president did is indeed a coup.

If its constitutionally legal.....then it certainly is not a coup.

Coup (in a constitutional entity) means overthrow of constitutional-derived power.

The question (for this context) lies more with on whom the constitution delegates to interpret its law at highest level.

Is it executive or is it an apex court etc.

The issue here I believe is the constitutional court has not been formed yet...

But apparently there was a deadline (of one year) in the constitution:

Tunisian Constitutional Court bill hits constitutional snag | | AW

Tunisia’s President Kais Saied said on Tuesday that he refused to sign a bill to set up the long-delayed constitutional courtbecause it did not take into consideration constitutional deadlines.

thearabweekly.com

We are in something of an impasse....but that cannot be called a coup IMO.

There are always these teething troubles when you have mixture of revolution, ruling class entrenched and you have legacies and mistrust....leading to final authorities (to ensure check and balance system) not being filled at same rate.

 

[Fachfouch]

I think the president is doing Ennahda a big favor. Ennahda was on its way to marginalization via a democratic process. This way Ennahda would have been deleted from the political scene for good. Ennahda's votes were steadily decreasing with each election from I think %37 to 18. Now they can play the victim while portraying the president as a dictator. Ennahda will stay as a strong political figure in the future. Eventually, the president will have to go for elections again. If he denies Ennahda democratic rights he will be seen as a tyrant by many. Also, big powers got a huge hook against the Tunisian president if he doesn't comply with the demands of the big powers those can easily push the democracy and sanctions card against him. Without the backing of big powers, he will be in a dire situation. Let me tell you this, coups are never good it will always send your country backward especially if it is successful. A constitution that lets the president abolish the national assembly and give control of every power of the state apparatus to him is not a democratic constitution. Even if it is constitutionally legal what the Tunisian president did is indeed a coup.

We will see a sharp decrease in the president's popularity. I think he was elected with a %70 but it was mainly because of the election process. Presidential elections aren't like party elections many different political parties can support a presidential candidate. He might still win the next election but we might see a very close battle. So %70 vote doesn't tell the whole story. If I was running Ennahda, in the next election, I would be supporting a respected central right-wing figure and be a part of a greater alliance that will promise more democracy and wider personal and political rights and lifting the bans lingering from the "constitutional rule" period. Rather than pushing my own candidate against him. After that, I would have been working towards a more democratic constitution that prevents the abolishment of the national assembly and seizing the power of state apparatus by a single man.

actually according to the recent polls he's popularity increased to 83% the only ones that are seeing El Nahdha as a victim are foreigners and that's because of their lobbying specially in the USA they payed a lot of money to lobbying but that's starting to change the ministry of foreign affairs is making a lot of calls and pushing very hard to show the true status quo in Tunisia but internally the president never been as popular as this.

 

[CEZAYIRLI]

We will see a sharp decrease in the president's popularity. I think he was elected with a %70 but it was mainly because of the election process. Presidential elections aren't like party elections many different political parties can support a presidential candidate. He might still win the next election but we might see a very close battle. So %70 vote doesn't tell the whole story. If I was running Ennahda, in the next election, I would be supporting a respected central right-wing figure and be a part of a greater alliance that will promise more democracy and wider personal and political rights and lifting the bans lingering from the "constitutional rule" period. Rather than pushing my own candidate against him. After that, I would have been working towards a more democratic constitution that prevents the abolishment of the national assembly and seizing the power of state apparatus by a single man.

"We will see a sharp decrease in the president's popularity. I think he was elected with a %70 but it was mainly because of the election process." We respect your opinions and your subjective assumptions. We know Tunisia, its political components and its culture as if it were ours. You on the other hand, are making assumptions about a country you know very little about. You might make good guesses here and there, but the Tunisia that we know if far from what you think. I can guarantee you that this Tunisian President will remain successful for years to come.

 

[mulj]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1421409459574816768

 

[CEZAYIRLI]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1421409459574816768

Great news ! Ousting Al-Arabiya is the right thing to do.

 

[mulj]

Great news ! Ousting Al-Arabiya is the right thing to do.

Is it banned in Tunisia?

 

[CEZAYIRLI]

Is it banned in Tunisia?

Algeria (Global Fire Power 27) can make sovereign decisions that other countries in the region can't do, by fear of KSA and UAE, unfortunately.

 

[Fachfouch]

Is it banned in Tunisia?

No... despite being an unprofessional and utterly biased foreign media outlet we have to respect press freedom (note that Al Jazeera office is closed but their license is not revoked and they're still working in Tunisia).