TR Politics

[Turko]

Yeah when you think about it, the AKp supporters accuse CHP of being american puppet but the last thing that america wants is united syria, did i miss the logic here?

Destroyer of SAR is as well as founder of Syrian Kurdistan.

Today's The Syria and Iraq mandate also allows foreign powers to have soldiers in Turkey.
Which countries will keep soldiers in Turkey?

 

[what]

Its time to really work on political solutions, staying indefinitely in Syria is not a solution. It costs money and even worse the lives of our soldiers.

 

[HTurk]

I congratulate IYI party for making a difference.

 

[POOTIN]

I congratulate IYI party for making a difference.

They didn't, AKP-MHP majority would have passed it anyway. I believe IYI did it for voterbase as they all knew it would pass.

Kilicdaroglu is standing up to Erdogan, it's not about PKK here but who leads the politics. I read a good thread about it somewhere. The Turkish agreements with Syria and Iraq already allow for border operations and the bill can be modified if resubmitted.

Before parties were competing on nationalism and populism, this move by CHP is moving away from that and prevents Erdogan from setting the tone and speed of politics

 

[what]

I congratulate IYI party for making a difference.

Me too. I like the strategy. IYI should go for the MHP and AKP votes and CHP for the liberal-ish part of the country. Play both sides and combine them both in a possible coalition.

 

[POOTIN]

Me too. I like the strategy. IYI should go for the MHP and AKP votes and CHP for the liberal-ish part of the country. Play both sides and combine them both in a possible coalition.

I think this is their strategy too

 

[Glass🚬]

Its time to really work on political solutions, staying indefinitely in Syria is not a solution. It costs money and even worse the lives of our soldiers.

Leaving isnt a solution either, not as long as there are millions of syrians inside the country and the pkk still has a foothold in Syria.

 

[HTurk]

Me too. I like the strategy. IYI should go for the MHP and AKP votes and CHP for the liberal-ish part of the country. Play both sides and combine them both in a possible coalition.

Fight the Almancı within yourself. Turkey is not Germany and CHP and IYI are not CDU and CSU.

 

[HTurk]

They didn't, AKP-MHP majority would have passed it anyway. I believe IYI did it for voterbase as they all knew it would pass.

That's all I'm asking for. A right wing party that can inherit AKP'S position within the society. Historically, conservative parties in Turkey change periodically. Don't believe that IYI will always side with CHP. There are a few cracks already.

 

[Turko]

As The mandate passed when are we going to conquer eastern efrat where YPG based? And abolish so called "Syrian Kurdistan"..

Or we will just be around again Tell Rıfat which is far from" Rojava"?

 

[TheInsider]

That's all I'm asking for. A right wing party that can inherit AKP'S position within the society. Historically, conservative parties in Turkey change periodically. Don't believe that IYI will always side with CHP. There are a few cracks already.

That is %100 is true. IYI party is using CHP as a lever IYI knows CHP will never pass the %25 mark and if the parliamentary system comes back CHP will slide slightly down to around %20-23. The real target of the IYI Party is getting central right votes ( ~%30-35 ANAP, DYP) and combining them with right-wing(MHP) and if possible left-wing nationalists (Turkists, Kemalists) votes. Islamic conservative votes will return back to their root. IYI Party wants to be the new AKP while replacing Islamic conservative votes with mostly right-wing nationalist votes. This can bring them to around %35-40. Some of the AKP votes are already migrated to IYI.

AKP %40-45 (%30-35 central right votes, %10 Islamic conservative votes). Currently, around %10 of these votes migrated to IYI, DEVA(%2-3), Gelecek(%1) Partisi(Davutoğlu). IYI Party got the biggest chunk of that votes. Right now AKP scores around %35 in polls. In the post-Erdogan era, IYI Party might end up getting a big majority of those votes.

 

[Anastasius]

So is IYI the new darling of Turkish opposition now?

 

[mulj]

so if this people come to power they will recognize so called Rojava, no economy moaning is more important then this

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1452991730228342796

 

[Elaser]

If opposition wins in 2023 they will start infighting again like in 97-02... The differences between iyi chp and hdp are too large and nothing unifies them except for anti-AKP stance...

If Turkey is lucky AKP will then return in one form or another before 2030. If not the military will pull the strings again behind the scenes like before and render the politicians useless...

Turkey cannot afford to experiment...

 

[Turko]

If opposition wins in 2023 they will start infighting again like in 97-02... The differences between iyi chp and hdp are too large and nothing unifies them except for anti-AKP stance...

If Turkey is lucky AKP will then return in one form or another before 2030. If not the military will pull the strings again behind the scenes like before and render the politicians useless...

Turkey cannot afford to experiment...

What would happen? USD/TL would reach 10?

Minumum wage would drop 300 USD?

Turkish economy would be in 21st place?


Corruptioners, constructor partisans would suck national bank's reserves?


USA, KSA would destroy Syria and found Rojava Kurdistan?

Syrian Arab Republic would be collapsed and 3 million refugees would infiltrate Turkey?

 

[Elaser]

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkey-somali-business-owners-deportation-orders-targeted

Over the last few years, Kizilay Square in the heart of Ankara has experienced a unique kind of gentrification.

The Turkish capital’s growing Somali community has established restaurants, cafes, clothing stores and consultancy businesses for bilateral trade here, slowly turning the decaying area into a vibrant neighbourhood.

However, the prosperity of a Somali-dominant neighbourhood has become a target of abuse in Turkey, where anti-immigrant sentiments are on the rise.

In April, Sozcu daily, a rightwing Kemalist newspaper known for its anti-immigrant coverage, featured this area in a report and put it on the radar of the nation. (...)

 

[Tonyukuk]

so if this people come to power they will recognize so called Rojava, no economy moaning is more important then this

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1452991730228342796

This is a massive exaggeration and falsification of CHP's position. CHP is against PKK/YPG... But after agreeing to allow troops to be deployed across the border multiple times, they've come to the realisation that AKP has no clue what it's doing.

We have had years to clean up PKK/YPG... Yet for the past 3 or so years, we haven't even launched a proper operation in Syria. Every week a soldier dies, and we don't even respond properly. "Ooohh but the USA is there!!!". If you really want to clean your borders, you do it. If you can expel 10 envoys, surely you can warn that you will launch an operation. And trust me, even the USA will be forced to haul ass.

But no, the YPG/PKK terror state just continues to grow, as it develops into a second KRG. It's a joke, and only the man who allowed it in the first place can be blamed for it.

In my opinion CHP coming into power will be great. Let CHP convince the world that Turkey is democratic, as a distraction... Meanwhile, allow the military to destroy YPG.

You have to remember that AKP's stupid Islamist view on everything is the reason why it is so easy for the West to paint us as the bad guys. We took our advantage over every other majority Muslim country and threw it in the trash, just so some Arabs can jerk off to the wet dream of a Turkish-Arab coalition against Israel... And now we are hated by both. gENiUs.

 

[mulj]

This is a massive exaggeration and falsification of CHP's position. CHP is against PKK/YPG... But after agreeing to allow troops to be deployed across the border multiple times, they've come to the realisation that AKP has no clue what it's doing.

We have had years to clean up PKK/YPG... Yet for the past 3 or so years, we haven't even launched a proper operation in Syria. Every week a soldier dies, and we don't even respond properly. "Ooohh but the USA is there!!!". If you really want to clean your borders, you do it. If you can expel 10 envoys, surely you can warn that you will launch an operation. And trust me, even the USA will be forced to haul ass.

But no, the YPG/PKK terror state just continues to grow, as it develops into a second KRG. It's a joke, and only the man who allowed it in the first place can be blamed for it.

In my opinion CHP coming into power will be great. Let CHP convince the world that Turkey is democratic, as a distraction... Meanwhile, allow the military to destroy YPG.

You have to remember that AKP's stupid Islamist view on everything is the reason why it is so easy for the West to paint us as the bad guys. We took our advantage over every other majority Muslim country and threw it in the trash, just so some Arabs can jerk off to the wet dream of a Turkish-Arab coalition against Israel... And now we are hated by both. gENiUs.

no, it is not. speech is very precise and self explaining, you can do mental gymnastics all the time you want in order to avoid main point, CHP laid in bed with HDP which is open advocate for YPG run state in Syiria, it would be better to swallow that pill before you point finger on AKP. i mean, it is politics after all but explicit fact should be recognized. If majority of voters wants that, i will respect that decision any time,.

 

[Tonyukuk]

no, it is not. speech is very precise and self explaining, you can do mental gymnastics all the time you want in order to avoid main point, CHP laid in bed with HDP which is open advocate for YPG run state in Syiria, it would be better to swallow that pill before you point finger on AKP. i mean, it is politics after all but explicit fact should be recognized. If majority of voters wants that, i will respect that decision any time,.

AKP said they will give Kurds full autonomy in 2023. You can do mental gymnastics all the time you want in order to avoid the main point.

See I can do the same.

 

[mulj]

AKP said they will give Kurds full autonomy in 2023. You can do mental gymnastics all the time you want in order to avoid the main point.

See I can do the same.

yep, but you convinietly ignore that conditions have changed both in Turkey and Syria and that is not actual any more, CHP/HDP alliance will recognize rojava by the conditions of current political realities and you need to cope with that fact.