TR Politics

[YeşilVatan]

My great hope is they just have the head snake disband it live on TV, then attack the ones who refuse.

Let's stop and think here, 2015-2020 timeframe changed the nature of PKK a lot. They are no longer a huge probem in the military sense. At least not in our borders.

The problem is:
1- Political: HDP
2- Civil Society: NGOs and media arm
3- Judiciary: Bars and lawfare apparatus
4- Criminal: Small sale gangs. (large mafia organizations are tied to Ülkü Ocakları ATM, even kurdish ones.)

You can't solve PKK NGO problem with UCAVs. Technically we can, but we are far too integrated with the global economy to do so. The most "military" thing that can be used to deal with current iteration of PKK is the riot police and TEM, maybe PÖH too.

South of the border is another matter.

 

[dBSPL]

On our southern border, there is an armed and trained organization, armed and trained by states such as the US, France etc, politically protected by Russia and EU, and able to be used against TR at every opportunity by some other regional factors, with the number of armed donkeys reaching 200,000. This organization cannot lay down arms even if it wants to, when you tell it to do so. The acumen shown in '74 could not be shown in 2019 and we have come to this day.

 

[Asena_great]

erdoğan and özgür özel show their support for develt bahçeli

 

[Asena_great]

You can't solve PKK NGO problem with UCAVs.

the chart blow is the make up of PKK no matter what any otginization need have the similar chart back in 90s Jitem attacked all 5 branches and by 2000s the PKK almost were finished until AKP revived it you say we cant solve PKK problem in their new shape yes cant but there was always a solution and that is Jitem style attack on all 5 branches within and without turkish border

 

[Ripley]

My great hope is they just have the head snake disband it live on TV, then attack the ones who refuse.

Let's stop and think here, 2015-2020 timeframe changed the nature of PKK a lot. They are no longer a huge probem in the military sense. At least not in our borders.

The problem is:
1- Political: HDP
2- Civil Society: NGOs and media arm
3- Judiciary: Bars and lawfare apparatus
4- Criminal: Small sale gangs. (large mafia organizations are tied to Ülkü Ocakları ATM, even kurdish ones.)

You can't solve PKK NGO problem with UCAVs. Technically we can, but we are far too integrated with the global economy to do so. The most "military" thing that can be used to deal with current iteration of PKK is the riot police and TEM, maybe PÖH too.

South of the border is another matter.

Bro, you break down your list of problems, but I’m afraid Civil Society is not a problem. On the contrary, civil society is the one thing Turks can’t manage at all because we don’t know jack when it comes to organization and something we should‘ve learned by now.

Also, I can testify as first hand account what the NGOs have done starting late 90s because I worked at one. NGOs were almost the only agents of social awareness since there were no social media coverage. Social awareness was the job of media and public perception was at the mercy of a boss or any political party.
We were publishing papers, periodicals, holding conferences, seminars, panels at universities almost with a 70% volunteer work force. They, of course, rapidly became a part of rising religious political machinery, and that, I give it you.

NGOs are essential parts of a civil society and play an important part at enlightening public.

 

[Asena_great]

Erdogan show his support for develt bahçeli

özgür özel show his support for develt bahçeli



ismet ipi getir

mustafa kemal atatürk bu konuşmadan sonra

 

[Rooxbar]

In this climate of rising nationalism and antagonism from all fronts against even a trace of PKK and Kurdish nationalism, and on top of that in the climate of degeneracy of rule of law being exhibited for everyone to see, and furthermore in the climate of deep economic volatility which has resulted in unprecedented social discontent, one must ask what is the root of the urgency and self-confidence which pushes the ruling coalition to bring this discussion to the public domain when they know they will not have public support?

If it was merely for constitutional referendum and extending Erdogan's rule, there wouldn't be such haste, bringing the discussion to the fore long before any election on the horizon, with no economic rebound and the atmosphere of doom and gloom abound.

On a different note, Iranian domestic currency has fallen 10% this past week while it was quite stable during their and Israeli counter-bombings, the first time and the last time both.

So maybe they think there'll be such chaos that they will not need public support, and in that chaos they must achieve these goals which was waiting for an opportune moment?

 

[hugh]

Just visited haber7 to see what those "nationalist" folks in the comments "think" about this treachery.

Devlet Bahçeli'nin çıkışı sonrası MHP'den son dakika açıklaması! - Yorumlar - Haber 7 - Sayfa 1

Devlet Bahçeli'nin çıkışı sonrası MHP'den son dakika açıklaması! yazısı hakkında yapılan yorumlar. Devlet Bahçeli'nin çıkışı sonrası MHP'den son dakika açıklaması! hakkında söylenenler. Siz de bu yazı hakkında yorum yazabilirsiniz. Sayfa 1

www.haber7.com

Even the most vile curse-words I know cannot describe these sons of bitches. Truly spineless cucks they are.

 

[Rooxbar]

BTW Yılmaz Özdil made an interesting point today, they bring reporting restrictions and broadcast bans to any minor case which might sully their image, but this whole yeni doğan çetesi news is allowed to roam free; interesting.

 

[Asena_great]

now do you understand why turkey needs coup ?? because it has a political class that can not control itself

 

[dBSPL]

The fact that such a contradictory statement came from the far right wing of the parliament and that the leader of the main opposition party immediately declared his support is an indication that, as dear Rooxbar said, other things are going on behind closed doors. We, as the Turkish nation, can tolerate many things, even poverty, but this is something else.

 

[CAN_TR]

Keske bir baba yigit cikip bu serefsiz, omurgasiz ve hain dolu meclisi...

Allah hepinizin belasini versin.

 

[Lool]

I really wonder what on earth did the CHP, AKP, MHP, and other parties; in addition to the PKK agree together on behin closed doors? Are they willing to sell the blood of TSK soldiers who fought against the vile PKK that quickly?

As Rooxbar said, the fact that this news is allowed to roam freely without ban indicates that something big is being planned behind closed doors and such a thing will 100% involve foreign actors as well

Is Turkey trying to get out of Syria and Iraq? Is it a move to try and make peace with Assad? Or are they trying to please the zionist US for some momentary gains? Or maybe a bigger confrontation is on the horizon and all the nation's resources need to be concentrated on it and not on the PKK? Or have they just sold the country alltogether and are planning to leave?

No one knows

 

[Rooxbar]

Btw my post might be read as meaning that the ruling coalition wants to avoid the chaos by uniting different factions; this is not what I mean, I think they predict a chaotic situation (maybe even fanning it?) and they are preparing to use it as an excuse to implement unpopular measures.

 

[Rooxbar]

‘SAYIN’ ÖCALAN MECLİSTE KONUŞACAK MI ??

ANKARA’DAYIM !!! ORTALIK FENA KARIŞTI… HABERLER BENDE 👈🏻👈🏻👈🏻 yayındayım:00:00 Giriş02:00 Ortalık fena karıştı07:40 Kurgu kabine ile başladı14:05 İkili ...

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Important points made here: watch for 1 minute until 10:20.

 

[Asena_great]

erlik's analysis about the situations

 

[Rooxbar]

Yesterday Hakan Fidan invited Cemaat to join their ranks; I think they have made a deal with their new leadership. PKK and Gladio have always been intertwined. Western intelligence communities have always pushed for what later came to be known as Çözüm Süreci, maybe as part of their grand design for Middle East. AKP tried very meagerly to severe from them either in purely aesthetic terms or maybe in an honest but weak manner, but the results must have been traumatic enough for them to convince them to reconcile again, probably taking guarantees about their power not being challenged by the Western institutions either within or without the country (i.e. via opposition & finance and media institutions respectively).

In short, AKP is trying to turn back to the pre-2013 years as they think that was the source of the security of their power and the state of the economy; for that to become a reality the intelligence communities have forced them to sort out this PKK thing, effectively not challenging a YPG state, and their later inevitable swallowing of KRG (to be united with the Iranian Kurdistan later, and then...?) Probably PKK will just claim to merge with YPG (and this will be announced as a victory by the ruling coalition) only to effectively hold their ground in ways that matter. This is also a great tool for the Western intelligentsia who are careerists but also have some genuine liberal ideals to be convinced of the "New Liberal Turkey", promoting an organic reconciliation of Western institutions with the Islamists, as the status quo was before 2013.

For me to falsify this scenario I will need input from certain media organizations in the west, esp. those promoting Israel's interests. If despite the superficial rhetoric used both by our government and theirs, those institutions endorse these moves, then the rhetoric is truly the exact opposite of what is being talked behind closed doors. This is what I suspect is going on, but I'm about 40% sure. The remaining 60% is divided between other alternative scenarios, none reaching a plurality for now.

 

[Kartal1]

I didn't believe there is something in the work until I saw Bahceli's traitorous statements. There's no logic in it.

All this shit shouldn't be viewed separately from the changes in the constitution theme of talk. All this is a coordinated process in which they will try to abolish the foundations and principles over which the Republic of Turkiye and the Turkish Nation are established.

When did the Turkish Nation or the MHP, AKP voters required from their representatives in the Parliament that Ocalan should talk in this holy place? After they let down the people on so many instances regarding so many topics it is now clear that they do not represent even their radical voters!

Another important point I want to make. Do you really think that Ocalan is controlling PKK? Ocalan is an idol for the simple mind, but currently he does not possess any power over the PKK itself. His opponents like Cemil Bayik are in the leading position and he has very different views on how PKK should develop. If you think that by Ocalan saying "drop your arms and surrender to the Turkish State" the terrorists in Qandil, Hakurk and in Syria will drop their arms and surrender, I don't have anything to say as I will most probably hurt your feelings.

Processes, negotiations, softening of the tone? No! We can only talk about unconditional surrender and cessation of the activities of the PKK's all military and political branches, NGOs and other type of official and non-official organizations. Unconditional!

What did Ocalan said to Atilla Ugur?

"America's whole issue is to turn Barzani and Talabani into a State. Their real prince is Barzani, just like Israel's prince. Talabani and Barzani are pawns. Now, after my situation, America's biggest investment will be in them and the threat to Turkiye will grow even bigger in my opinion. I am ready to serve to thwart their games, I can direct the organization against them in a way you deem appropriate."

If you thought on using this piece of shit, why didn't you use him before there was need to launch our cross-border operations in Iraq and Syria? Why didn't you use him before the US established an army of tens of thousands of terrorists on our southern border? Why didn't you use him before Iran intensify its support for them and before the Syrianizing project including the intervention towards the merger of Talabani's and Ferhat Abdi Sahin's political initiatives?

No matter if the ruling coalition or its opposition I only see shitshow after shitshow being formed and what we are happy and smile about is only the following actions aiming at damage control and desperate moves preventing a total catastrophe. This is explanatory enough for the state in which Turkish politics currently is moving (backwards).

 

[Kartal1]

Yesterday Hakan Fidan invited Cemaat to join their ranks; I think they have made a deal with their new leadership. PKK and Gladio have always been intertwined. Western intelligence communities have always pushed for what later came to be known as Çözüm Süreci, maybe as part of their grand design for Middle East. AKP tried very meagerly to severe from them either in purely aesthetic terms or maybe in an honest but weak manner, but the results must have been traumatic enough for them to convince them to reconcile again, probably taking guarantees about their power not being challenged by the Western institutions either within or without the country (i.e. via opposition & finance and media institutions respectively).

In short, AKP is trying to turn back to the pre-2013 years as they think that was the source of the security of their power and the state of the economy; for that to become a reality the intelligence communities have forced them to sort out this PKK thing, effectively not challenging a YPG state, and their later inevitable swallowing of KRG (to be united with the Iranian Kurdistan later, and then...?) Probably PKK will just claim to merge with YPG (and this will be announced as a victory by the ruling coalition) only to effectively hold their ground in ways that matter. This is also a great tool for the Western intelligentsia who are careerists but also have some genuine liberal ideals to be convinced of the "New Liberal Turkey", promoting an organic reconciliation of Western institutions with the Islamists, as the status quo was before 2013.

For me to falsify this scenario I will need input from certain media organizations in the west, esp. those promoting Israel's interests. If despite the superficial rhetoric used both by our government and theirs, those institutions endorse these moves, then the rhetoric is truly the exact opposite of what is being talked behind closed doors. This is what I suspect is going on, but I'm about 40% sure. The remaining 60% is divided between other alternative scenarios, none reaching a plurality for now.

I think the talks with Scholtz and also the Iranian MoFA visit is also part of these negotiations.

 

[CAN_TR]

AKP-CHP-MHP are working in synch, because the shitshow that is running is to smooth, their speeches, their actions this is odd.

The whole scenario makes no f*cking sense, i opened social media today saw all the staments from the different parties and was like wtf am i dreaming? This whole shitshow makes no sense, the claims by Bahceli are beyond hilarious if someone believes the PKK/YPG will surrender because that bastard OCalan said so then you are out of your mind. Then Özgür Özel taking that statement and literally adding his approval and support...