TR Politics

[Asena_great]

The history will never forgive those!

fuck history time for action is right now. they want to see blood flow in street ?? let them have it

 

[Asena_great]

@Fuzuli NL do you have something to tell about bahçeli ??

 

[Ripley]

The history will never forgive those!

To forgive someone, you should remember stuff first. To remember you need a well functioning hippocampus of your brain so that it could hold memories for short term and then transfer to other memory storage parts of brain for safe keeping. So much for science.
Moving on to facts which are always bitter for Turks as we have the shortest term of memory. We will always forgive anybody because we never remember.
My dear friend, with all due respect, we will forgive them since we will have forgotten what they did at first place

 

[dBSPL]

It is a shameful statement. If this is not a betrayal to case, it can at best be interpreted as an attempt to put the İmralı clique together with the DEM (PKK's parliamentary pillar) line, against the US-led Syria structuring, but one would have to have a serious loss of mental faculties to believe that this could work in practice. This will unfortunately be the last sentence of DB's political career that will be remembered. An ironic end for someone who threw greasy ropes in the election arenas 10 years ago.

When the state started to ignore the terrorists with all its institutions during the last saçılım process, two terrorist organizations, one within the state (ne istediler de vermedik) and the other on the streets(kck and related structrings), brought the country to the brink of civil war and great collapse, and the TSK/Special Operations prevent that at last second, losing hundreds of lives. As a result of these operations, the terrorist organization has largely exhausted its capacity inside the border, but their withdrawal to Syria and their reorganization there with the support of the US was not only the result of military pressure, but also with the coordination of the US and the conjunctural conditions and opportunities they saw. As a result, ISIS was liquidated and replaced by the PKK in the same process. Therefore, it is necessary to read the processes correctly; a renewed process of açılım-saçılım may not only create risk factors that will push the country bow down to demands, but it may also lead to the complete collapse of the security policies and so waste of prices paid for 10 years for nothing.

 

[YeşilVatan]

My great hope is they just have the head snake disband it live on TV, then attack the ones who refuse.

Let's stop and think here, 2015-2020 timeframe changed the nature of PKK a lot. They are no longer a huge probem in the military sense. At least not in our borders.

The problem is:
1- Political: HDP
2- Civil Society: NGOs and media arm
3- Judiciary: Bars and lawfare apparatus
4- Criminal: Small sale gangs. (large mafia organizations are tied to Ülkü Ocakları ATM, even kurdish ones.)

You can't solve PKK NGO problem with UCAVs. Technically we can, but we are far too integrated with the global economy to do so. The most "military" thing that can be used to deal with current iteration of PKK is the riot police and TEM, maybe PÖH too.

South of the border is another matter.

 

[dBSPL]

On our southern border, there is an armed and trained organization, armed and trained by states such as the US, France etc, politically protected by Russia and EU, and able to be used against TR at every opportunity by some other regional factors, with the number of armed donkeys reaching 200,000. This organization cannot lay down arms even if it wants to, when you tell it to do so. The acumen shown in '74 could not be shown in 2019 and we have come to this day.

 

[Asena_great]

erdoğan and özgür özel show their support for develt bahçeli

 

[Asena_great]

You can't solve PKK NGO problem with UCAVs.

the chart blow is the make up of PKK no matter what any otginization need have the similar chart back in 90s Jitem attacked all 5 branches and by 2000s the PKK almost were finished until AKP revived it you say we cant solve PKK problem in their new shape yes cant but there was always a solution and that is Jitem style attack on all 5 branches within and without turkish border

 

[Ripley]

My great hope is they just have the head snake disband it live on TV, then attack the ones who refuse.

Let's stop and think here, 2015-2020 timeframe changed the nature of PKK a lot. They are no longer a huge probem in the military sense. At least not in our borders.

The problem is:
1- Political: HDP
2- Civil Society: NGOs and media arm
3- Judiciary: Bars and lawfare apparatus
4- Criminal: Small sale gangs. (large mafia organizations are tied to Ülkü Ocakları ATM, even kurdish ones.)

You can't solve PKK NGO problem with UCAVs. Technically we can, but we are far too integrated with the global economy to do so. The most "military" thing that can be used to deal with current iteration of PKK is the riot police and TEM, maybe PÖH too.

South of the border is another matter.

Bro, you break down your list of problems, but I’m afraid Civil Society is not a problem. On the contrary, civil society is the one thing Turks can’t manage at all because we don’t know jack when it comes to organization and something we should‘ve learned by now.

Also, I can testify as first hand account what the NGOs have done starting late 90s because I worked at one. NGOs were almost the only agents of social awareness since there were no social media coverage. Social awareness was the job of media and public perception was at the mercy of a boss or any political party.
We were publishing papers, periodicals, holding conferences, seminars, panels at universities almost with a 70% volunteer work force. They, of course, rapidly became a part of rising religious political machinery, and that, I give it you.

NGOs are essential parts of a civil society and play an important part at enlightening public.

 

[Asena_great]

Erdogan show his support for develt bahçeli

özgür özel show his support for develt bahçeli



ismet ipi getir

mustafa kemal atatürk bu konuşmadan sonra

 

[Rooxbar]

In this climate of rising nationalism and antagonism from all fronts against even a trace of PKK and Kurdish nationalism, and on top of that in the climate of degeneracy of rule of law being exhibited for everyone to see, and furthermore in the climate of deep economic volatility which has resulted in unprecedented social discontent, one must ask what is the root of the urgency and self-confidence which pushes the ruling coalition to bring this discussion to the public domain when they know they will not have public support?

If it was merely for constitutional referendum and extending Erdogan's rule, there wouldn't be such haste, bringing the discussion to the fore long before any election on the horizon, with no economic rebound and the atmosphere of doom and gloom abound.

On a different note, Iranian domestic currency has fallen 10% this past week while it was quite stable during their and Israeli counter-bombings, the first time and the last time both.

So maybe they think there'll be such chaos that they will not need public support, and in that chaos they must achieve these goals which was waiting for an opportune moment?

 

[hugh]

Just visited haber7 to see what those "nationalist" folks in the comments "think" about this treachery.

Devlet Bahçeli'nin çıkışı sonrası MHP'den son dakika açıklaması! - Yorumlar - Haber 7 - Sayfa 1

Devlet Bahçeli'nin çıkışı sonrası MHP'den son dakika açıklaması! yazısı hakkında yapılan yorumlar. Devlet Bahçeli'nin çıkışı sonrası MHP'den son dakika açıklaması! hakkında söylenenler. Siz de bu yazı hakkında yorum yazabilirsiniz. Sayfa 1

www.haber7.com

Even the most vile curse-words I know cannot describe these sons of bitches. Truly spineless cucks they are.

 

[Rooxbar]

BTW Yılmaz Özdil made an interesting point today, they bring reporting restrictions and broadcast bans to any minor case which might sully their image, but this whole yeni doğan çetesi news is allowed to roam free; interesting.

 

[Asena_great]

now do you understand why turkey needs coup ?? because it has a political class that can not control itself

 

[dBSPL]

The fact that such a contradictory statement came from the far right wing of the parliament and that the leader of the main opposition party immediately declared his support is an indication that, as dear Rooxbar said, other things are going on behind closed doors. We, as the Turkish nation, can tolerate many things, even poverty, but this is something else.

 

[CAN_TR]

Keske bir baba yigit cikip bu serefsiz, omurgasiz ve hain dolu meclisi...

Allah hepinizin belasini versin.

 

[Lool]

I really wonder what on earth did the CHP, AKP, MHP, and other parties; in addition to the PKK agree together on behin closed doors? Are they willing to sell the blood of TSK soldiers who fought against the vile PKK that quickly?

As Rooxbar said, the fact that this news is allowed to roam freely without ban indicates that something big is being planned behind closed doors and such a thing will 100% involve foreign actors as well

Is Turkey trying to get out of Syria and Iraq? Is it a move to try and make peace with Assad? Or are they trying to please the zionist US for some momentary gains? Or maybe a bigger confrontation is on the horizon and all the nation's resources need to be concentrated on it and not on the PKK? Or have they just sold the country alltogether and are planning to leave?

No one knows

 

[Rooxbar]

Btw my post might be read as meaning that the ruling coalition wants to avoid the chaos by uniting different factions; this is not what I mean, I think they predict a chaotic situation (maybe even fanning it?) and they are preparing to use it as an excuse to implement unpopular measures.

 

[Rooxbar]

‘SAYIN’ ÖCALAN MECLİSTE KONUŞACAK MI ??

ANKARA’DAYIM !!! ORTALIK FENA KARIŞTI… HABERLER BENDE 👈🏻👈🏻👈🏻 yayındayım:00:00 Giriş02:00 Ortalık fena karıştı07:40 Kurgu kabine ile başladı14:05 İkili ...

www.youtube.com

Important points made here: watch for 1 minute until 10:20.

 

[Asena_great]

erlik's analysis about the situations