TR Politics

[Sinan]

More or less that is the point, if the opposition mouthpieces and what could figure from replies and other tweets, less sane opposition supporters stick with the her insane narrative or twisting around, akp is safe like fort knox.
Either opposition does not have real good position to atrack current elected authorities on legitimate basys or they are not able to articulate good strategy and pr due tranches digged lomg time ago.

Apparantly, this was not some party, it was protest because of music restrictions. I was suprised that music can play after 12 hours midnight in Istanbul.

You think, only opposition drink alcohol....you have no idea.

 

[Sinan]

Turkey a country that does not protect it's borders every day hundreds if not thousand Afghans cross illegally the border.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1414999646766878720

Yeah, it's going on for weeks now.

But, let's not talk on this and continue saying how all of the opposition are terrorists.

 

[Sinan]

President Erdoğan held a phone conversation with the new President of Israel, Yitzak Hertzog.
Erdogan emphasized that TR-Israel relations are "of great importance for the security and stability of the Middle East".
Erdoğan stated that “despite all differences of opinion, he attaches importance to the continuation of contact and dialogue”.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1414662317099335685

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1414682061181497344

@500

It's not gonna work.

The whole world is feed up with Erdogan's little diplomatic maneuvers. He thinks that saying a few words can fix things.

I listened to various countries officials, like Egypt and Israel. No one really cares with what Erdogan says, they want to see action.

For example, Egypt wants Turkey to handout Muslim Brotherhood members.
Israel sees Hamas as a terrorist organization like PKK and wants Turkey to completely cut ties with them.

 

[mulj]

You think, only opposition drink alcohol....you have no idea.

No, how did you conclude that?

 

[Sinan]

Welli there is this incident in the church and you say opposition this, opposition that.

 

[mulj]

Yep, the pipeline that nobody knows whos gonna pay for because it will be the most expensive of its kind.
Israel would have gladly built it to Ceyhan terminal but no Erdogans genious Foreign policy destroyed that opportunity.
Now he is beggin for the pipeline when its too late...

https://www.dailysabah.com/business...ortunity-for-better-turkey-israel-energy-ties

I am not intersted in speculation, just presented officiial agreement by which is israel bounded to act and it directly oppose your interest and you will knowingly discard that because of wishfull thinking?

 

[mulj]

Welli there is this incident in the church and you say opposition this, opposition that.

What is correlation with your insinuation, you think thos were akp voters?

 

[Sinan]

What is correlation with your insinuation, you think thos were akp voters?

How can we know, you can't say this guys votes for CHP, HDP or AKP.

But, i heard some stories from the inhabitants of Kadıköy. They say that they are coming from other districts.

 

[Xenon54]

I am not intersted in speculation, just presented officiial agreement by which is israel bounded to act and it directly oppose your interest and you will knowingly discard that because of wishfull thinking?

Its the direct consequence of Erdogans policies, nothing speculative about it, you cant piss on someones leg and then expect them to act in your interest, every action has a reaction.
But debating this with you is pure waste of thime since you are one of those who would never admit that Erdogan the semi prophet makes any mistakes, you even try to counter my arguments when Erdogan himself is saying the same thing as me but then claim to think pragmatic, well whatever floats your boat i guess.

Can you change the mind of a fanatic football club supporter?

 

[mulj]

How can we know, you can't say this guys votes for CHP, HDP or AKP.

But, i heard some stories from the inhabitants of Kadıköy. They say that they are coming from other districts. and

If elections are some source for conlcusion then it is easy to know as it easier to find buddist there then akp voter
I did not hear any just saw the video, comments about it and after that made evident conlusion

 

[Sinan]

But debating this with you is pure waste of thime since you are one of those who would never admit that Erdogan the semi prophet makes any mistakes, you even try to counter my arguments when Erdogan himself is saying the same thing as me but then claim to think pragmatic, well whatever floats your boat i guess.

Wish there were some other Bosnians in the forum besides him. I had sympathies for Bosnia since childhood. But this guy ruined the image of Bosnia in my eyes.

I wonder if all of them are like Mulj.

 

[Sinan]

If elections are some source for conlcusion then it is easy to know as it easier to find buddist there then akp voter
I did not hear any just saw the video, comments about it and after that made evident conlusion

Ufffffffff, i'm done with arguing you. You know nothing about Turks or Turkey. You have created a Turkey image in your mind and you are purely talking based on your assumptions.

 

[mulj]

Its the direct consequence of Erdogans policies, nothing speculative about it, you cant piss on someones leg and then expect them to act in your interest, every action has a reaction.
But debating this with you is pure waste of thime since you are one of those who would never admit that Erdogan the semi prophet makes any mistakes, you even try to counter my arguments when Erdogan himself is saying the same thing as me but then claim to think pragmatic, well whatever floats your boat i guess.

Can you change the mind of a fanatic football club supporter?

I disagree with that, it is not because of him, it is either you "piss" on someone or tjey "piss" on you, so any other person instead of erdogan who would pursue idenpendant non puppeting policy would have same outcome.
That is your projection, i am discussing concrete facts, not intersted in anyone personal biases.

It depends of the club he supports

 

[mulj]

Ufffffffff, i'm done with arguing you. You know nothing about Turks or Turkey. You have created a Turkey image in your mind and you are purely talking based on your assumptions.

Instead projection can you make counter argument?

 

[mulj]

Wish there were some other Bosnians in the forum besides him. I had sympathies for Bosnia since childhood. But this guy ruined the image of Bosnia in my eyes.

I wonder if all of them are like Mulj.

You can not ruin my image of Turkey though

 

[Xenon54]

I disagree with that, it is not because of him, it is either you "piss" on someone or tjey "piss" on you, so any other person instead of erdogan who would pursue idenpendant non puppeting policy would have same outcome.
That is your projection, i am discussing concrete facts, not intersted in anyone personal biases.

It depends of the club he supports

Ok, you wont need to read my biases and i wont have to read yours anymore, problem solved for booth of us.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

I have high hopes for Mr. Ince, I hope he doesn't mess up.

 

[Anastasius]

I actually somewhat agree with mulj that Turkey simply making nice gestures towards Israel won't fix anything. People are under the delusional assumption that it's only Turkey's inflexible foreign policy that brought things to this point but, uh, even without Erdogan's Palestinian sympathies, I doubt that Israel would take very kindly to Turkey's growing power. Not being outright hostile would be an improvement but relations will never again return to the level they were before 2010 and it would be best to get used to it and not be blinded by optimism.

 

[Saithan]

I actually somewhat agree with mulj that Turkey simply making nice gestures towards Israel won't fix anything. People are under the delusional assumption that it's only Turkey's inflexible foreign policy that brought things to this point but, uh, even without Erdogan's Palestinian sympathies, I doubt that Israel would take very kindly to Turkey's growing power. Not being outright hostile would be an improvement but relations will never again return to the level they were before 2010 and it would be best to get used to it and not be blinded by optimism.

No one is under the illusion that ties eill go back to before 2010. A thousand good deeds are worth nothing when you’ve made one hostile action. I would love it if Turkeys state doctrin were like Israels. But there are too many interested in ummet and tarikat and whatever.

We’ll just wait it out, and survive until elections. That’s my wish for the citizens.

First thing to do when opposition gains governing powers is cut off voting rights for dual citizens and people who live abroad, e.g. Gurbetci etc

 

[Anmdt]

When you can't believe your beloved president has taken you away from rector position, and post "fake news" referring to the resmi gazete links.