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The opposition forces was knocking on the gates of damascus leading to bashar running for help from russia and his shia brothers. Stop blaming everything on erdogan🤦‍♂️ Have some balance please

leave your religious bias at the door when looking at things geopolitically. A great leader must see these things, not constantly cry to the world "i was deceived" Well your were deceived erdogan and you lost while costing Turkey big time.

No fool should ever lead Turkey.
 
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This thing is very stupid.

Because of Covid dorms halved the number of students who can stay there. As a consequence many students left out without doorms. On top of it there is a residence problem in Istanbul.


Instead of solving the problem government declared students as terrorists like they did in Boğaziçi Protests. On top of it, police beat students whom were staying in parks.

Regular stuff in Turkey.
 
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CHP's rule as they are more leaning towards Western rights than their country's own rights
Time to time i see your claims like this. I generally don't pay attention but this time i wondered.

Do you have any actual source for your claims. Like a statement, a sentence from a CHP official on this regard.

I'm repeating again, i'm not asking for your ideas or assumptions, i'm asking for a real source from CHP statements?
 

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Time to time i see your claims like this. I generally don't pay attention but this time i wondered.

Do you have any actual source for your claims. Like a statement, a sentence from a CHP official on this regard.

I'm repeating again, i'm not asking for your ideas or assumptions, i'm asking for a real source from CHP statements?
This is a recent line added onto Wikipedia; Quote: "On 19 September 2021, the main opposition party in Turkey, the Republican People's Party (CHP), opposed the Mavi Vatan (Blue Homeland) doctrine as aggressive and expansionist.[278][279][280][281]"

Sources:
https://tourkikanea.gr/ellinotourkikes-sheseis/chp-80/

https://www.yenisafak.com/gundem/ch...eden-konusarak-mavi-vatani-hedef-aldi-3702908


https://remonews.com/turkeyeng/chps...t-with-greece-and-targeted-the-blue-homeland/


Moreover another recent scandal by a prominent CHP member:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="tr" dir="ltr">CHP Milletvekili Aykut Erdoğdu: &quot;Keşke Selahattin Demirtaş Cumhurbaşkanı seçilse, inşallah seçilir ülkemize de renk gelir ama düşük bir ihtimal.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/F1Lri2poHL">pic.twitter.com/F1Lri2poHL</a></p>&mdash; EHA MEDYA (@eha_medya) <a href=" ">September 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



These are just some of many tbh
And dont get me wrong, Iam not saying that Erdo is an angel. However, just because you hate current Erdo's policies, you kick him out and replace with him with an even worse candidate? That is a greater mistake that will haunt future generations
You wanna elect a party that is placing your MARITIME TERRITORIAL rights as a bargaining chip to appease the West!! Do you think that such party will leave office if the ppl hates them? Hell no! They will rule for a decade or two at least! THE WEST arent stupid. If they saw a party that commit such acts to appease them, they will do everything they can to support these infidels into power even if by promoting a dictatorship and trust me when I say that the West can cough up myriads of excuses to justify them supporting dictatorships
Just learn from Egypt's, Sudan, and Tunisia mistake for Gods sake!
 
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This is a recent line added onto Wikipedia; Quote: "On 19 September 2021, the main opposition party in Turkey, the Republican People's Party (CHP), opposed the Mavi Vatan (Blue Homeland) doctrine as aggressive and expansionist.[278][279][280][281]"

Sources:
https://tourkikanea.gr/ellinotourkikes-sheseis/chp-80/

https://www.yenisafak.com/gundem/ch...eden-konusarak-mavi-vatani-hedef-aldi-3702908


https://remonews.com/turkeyeng/chps...t-with-greece-and-targeted-the-blue-homeland/


Moreover another recent scandal by a prominent CHP member:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="tr" dir="ltr">CHP Milletvekili Aykut Erdoğdu: &quot;Keşke Selahattin Demirtaş Cumhurbaşkanı seçilse, inşallah seçilir ülkemize de renk gelir ama düşük bir ihtimal.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/F1Lri2poHL">pic.twitter.com/F1Lri2poHL</a></p>&mdash; EHA MEDYA (@eha_medya) <a href=" ">September 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



These are just some of many tbh
And dont get me wrong, Iam not saying that Erdo is an angel. However, just because you hate current Erdo's policies, you kick him out and replace with him with an even worse candidate? That is a greater mistake that will haunt future generations
You wanna elect a party that is placing your MARITIME TERRITORIAL rights as a bargaining chip to appease the West!! Do you think that such party will leave office if the ppl hates them? Hell no! They will rule for a decade or two at least! THE WEST arent stupid. If they saw a party that commit such acts to appease them, they will do everything they can to support these infidels into power even if by promoting a dictatorship and trust me when I say that the West can cough up myriads of excuses to justify them supporting dictatorships
Just learn from Egypt's, Sudan, and Tunisia mistake for Gods sake!
1-) This is not the official stance of CHP, on many cases CHP gave open support to Government on Mavi Vatan doctrine.

Even if they had criticized Mavi Vatan doctrine, you can't say CHP is working for foreign powers. There is no proven one way approach to all problems of Turkey. They might suggest a different approach to problems of Turkey. It doesn't make them traitor.

2-) Selahattin Demirtaş's case is not related with "serving foreign powers".

So, you have nothing about opposition being traitors?
 

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Lmaoo so that means Turkish army Protector of Turkey has to fight for some arabic shit called rabia? He literally says TAF will protect rabia :DDDD good riddance to those who got killed by egyptian army


Listen and read the lyrics. This poem was written during the Turkish independance war.

Turkish army was seen as the last army of Islam especially at a time where most of Islamic World got colonised by the British, French and the Russians. Turkey was one of the only Muslim countries standing.
 

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We should not also sacrifice anything for the MB or even Egypt for that matter.

Erdogan wording is dumb.

We owe nothing to that rabia shit. These people got massacred they should have picked up weapons fight back against the sisi dictatorship.

Why should we sacrifice soldiers. Egyptians already have an army anyway let them settle it themselves.

MB was have always had a soft spot for Turkey explains why Morsi wanted to be close to Turkey. Honestly it could have worked but they got taken out what could we do? We should not even bother with ideology when political interests are more important.
 

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1-) This is not the official stance of CHP, on many cases CHP gave open support to Government on Mavi Vatan doctrine.

Even if they had criticized Mavi Vatan doctrine, you can't say CHP is working for foreign powers. There is no proven one way approach to all problems of Turkey. They might suggest a different approach to problems of Turkey. It doesn't make them traitor.
Sir with all due respect, the fact that even some CHP members are questioning the validity of Mavi Vatan doctrine is wrong by itself. You cant just elect a party whose members believe that their own territorial rights is just outright expanisve. This is god damn treason. Cancer at first starts from a cell or two and then rapidly spreads until it is uncontrollable. The same scenario applies to this case; such ppl needs to be silenced or you will just end up splitting Turkey 10 years into the future

Moreover, why are the CHP working with the HDP! I still remember pre 2016 when ppl (particularly the CHP) called Erdogan a traitor for allying with the HDP and starting peace talks stating that turkish blood is in his hands. However, what about now? Why does The party that was initially made by Ataturk to support turkish integrity and rights support the HDP? and when the AKP starts to criticise them, they state that this is for justice, honour and freedom. My question is why isnt these critriea applied when the AKP was the one doing stuff

Furthermore, one of the rising stars of the CHP, Ikrem Imamoglu, met with the GREEK PM in Athens days after the greek cyprus educational ministry asked teachers to rip pages that contained Ataturk from their book, why tf would you do that? They insulted the hero and leader of your nation, they insulted the core values that the CHP was built upon and for what? Peace? Fq peace! Anyone who insults my heritage or founder shall get the _I_ (no offense meant to anyone tbh)

For the past few months, the CHP actions has been way too contradictory
With some praying for Adnan menderes
With some wanna reopen FETO schools
With some who just wanna crush religion from Turkey
With some who supports women to wear their hijabs even after the CHP won
With some criticising Mavi Vatan
With some promoting Mavi Vatan
With some opposing refugees
With some promoting refugees
With some planting trees with top HDP officials in Istanbul
With some praying for the turkish soldiers who died by the hands of the PKK


Rn, I dont know which path does the CHP want to take. They are just offering their hand to all sorts of ppl just to win VOTES!
How can I offer my votes to a party who doesnt stick to its core values and doesnt even have a predictable path. When I place my vote in a party, I would like to know which path it takes and not the opposite
Such parties are generally two-faced in where they trick most political groups just so that they take power and then reveal their true face
At least i know that the AKP are hardcore islamists, nationalists, imperialists and thieves; I can predict what sort of path they can take as long as Erdo is leading the party
However, If I was a turk, I would never vote for the CHP and place my country's future in the hands of a Russian Roulette and see which face of the CHP i end up with! That would be ridiculous! Normally ppl wanna even remove the 0.00001% chance of splitting and here Iam putting the CHP into power with policies that promote HDP terror group and some of CHP members believe that the rights of the Turks of the future genrations in Mavi Vatan is expansionists. Truly insane

If you wanna replace Erdo, replace him with a better candidate and not worse for Gods sake


Sorry if i typed for too long
I wanted to add sources but that would have even taken more space
If you want though, I can supply you with them
 
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Sir with all due respect, the fact that even some CHP members are questioning the validity of Mavi Vatan doctrine is wrong by itself. You cant just elect a party whose members believe that their own territorial rights is just outright expanisve. This is god damn treason. Cancer at first starts from a cell or two and then rapidly spreads until it is uncontrollable. The same scenario applies to this case; such ppl needs to be silenced or you will just end up splitting Turkey 10 years into the future

Moreover, why are the CHP working with the HDP! I still remember pre 2016 when ppl (particularly the CHP) called Erdogan a traitor for allying with the HDP and starting peace talks stating that turkish blood is in his hands. However, what about now? Why does The party that was initially made by Ataturk to support turkish integrity and rights support the HDP? and when the AKP starts to criticise them, they state that this is for justice, honour and freedom. My question is why isnt these critriea applied when the AKP was the one doing stuff

Furthermore, one of the rising stars of the CHP, Ikrem Imamoglu, met with the GREEK PM in Athens days after the greek educational ministry asked teachers to rip pages that contained Ataturk from their book, why tf would you do that? They insulted the hero and leader of your nation, they insulted the core values that the CHP was built upon and for what? Peace? Fq peace! Anyone who insults my heritage or founder shall get the _I_ (no offense meant to anyone tbh)

For the past few months, the CHP statements has been way too contradictory
With some praying for Adnan menderes
With some wanna reopen FETO schools
With some who just wanna crush religion from Turkey
With some who supports women to wear their hijabs even after the CHP won
With some criticising Mavi Vatan
With some promoting Mavi Vatan
With some opposing refugees
With some promoting refugees
With some planting trees with top HDP officials in Istanbul
With some praying for the turkish soldiers who died by the hands of the PKK


Rn, I dont know which path does the CHP want to take. They are just offering their hand to all sorts of ppl just to win VOTES!
How can I offer my votes to a party who doesnt stick to its core values and doesnt even have a predictable path. When I place my vote in a party, I would like to know which path it takes and not the opposite
Such parties are generally two-faced in where they trick most political groups just so that they take power and then reveal their true face
At least i know that the AKP are hardcore islamists, nationalists, imperialists and thieves; I can predict what sort of path they can take as long as Erdo is leading the party
However, If I was a turk, I would never vote for the CHP and place my country's future in the hands of a Russian Roulette and see which face of the CHP i end up with! That would be ridiculous! Normally ppl wanna even remove the 0.00001% chance of splitting and here Iam putting the CHP into power with policies that promote HDP terror group and some of CHP members believe that the rights of the Turks of the future genrations in Mavi Vatan is expansionists. Truly insane

If you wanna replace Erdo, replace him with a better candidate and not worse for Gods sake


Sorry if i typed for too long
I wanted to add sources but that would have even taken more space
If you want though, I can supply you with them
You do realise that AKP signalled that it would try to gain Kurdish votes again? AKA, possible peace process with PKK terrorists again. Reason? Because they have done it before and it worked for them. They are now on the brink of losing the next elections. So they are getting desperate. You do know that AKP wants to give them autonomy as part as of their "2023 plan" right?

CHP needs to do something about it, and they are... But this doesn't mean that CHP will be close with HDP post 2023. It's a transactional and temporary understanding between the two.

Also, unlike AKP, CHP will not hold the Turkish Armed Forces hostage. PKK and SAA will no longer attack our troops with impunity, because retaliation will not require approval from Tayyip's palace. CHP is the lesser of two evils, it's not even close. Everything will improve if they win.

By the way, what is your obsession with Tayyip? You don't live here and you're not a Turk. Focus on Albania buddy.
 

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Furthermore, one of the rising stars of the CHP, Ikrem Imamoglu, met with the GREEK PM in Athens days after the greek educational ministry asked teachers to rip pages that contained Ataturk from their book, why tf would you do that? They insulted the hero and leader of your nation, they insulted the core values that the CHP was built upon and for what? Peace? Fq peace! Anyone who insults my heritage or founder shall get the _I_
Will you stop spreading misinformation in every thread? This incident didn't happened in Greece, but in Cyprus.
 

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Will you stop spreading misinformation in every thread? This incident didn't happened in Greece, but in Cyprus.
Thx for pointing it out
I fixed the error

Doesnt change the core of the issue though
Greece still supports Cyprus radicalism
 

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You do realise that AKP signalled that it would try to gain Kurdish votes again? AKA, possible peace process with PKK terrorists again. Reason? Because they have done it before and it worked for them. They are now on the brink of losing the next elections. So they are getting desperate. You do know that AKP wants to give them autonomy as part as of their "2023 plan" right?
Peace between Erdo and the HDP is practically near impossible! The HDP rn detest ERDO more than everything else in the world and the kurds hate him even more since the PKK are being butchered in Syria and Iraq. Many top individuals in the PKK have already hit the sack (if you know what I mean)
CHP needs to do something about it, and they are... But this doesn't mean that CHP will be close with HDP post 2023. It's a transactional and temporary understanding between the two.
The problem here is that they will re-instate the parliamentary system! The parliamentary system is actually better than the presidential one in most cases but when there is a terrorist party that takes a lot of seats in parliament, things change! Dont forget that the CHP, in the parliamentary system, will rule through a coalition; in other words, if the parliamentary system were to be adopted, HDP seats will be crucial for the CHP to continue to be in power; thus, HDP will have the CHP by the balls! The coalition of the CHP is composed of many groups with different political agendas; all what they care about is toppling Erdo, but then what? Will they break up? If so, then the AKP will rule again, period!
This is why hose who say that the alliance between CHP and HDP is temporary are delusional
Also, unlike AKP, CHP will not hold the Turkish Armed Forces hostage. PKK and SAA will no longer attack our troops with impunity, because retaliation will not require approval from Tayyip's palace. CHP is the lesser of two evils, it's not even close. Everything will improve if they win.
Hm..... so you are telling me that the mighty CHP will actually tell the TSK if you wanna screw the PKK hiding in US and Russian controlled areas to go ahead?
Hahahahahahahahaha
No offense mate but this is impossible
Just touch Russian troops or any Russian controlled Airspace and you will get a lovely response from Russia. Same case with the US! In fact, if you mixed that with the CHP position of making friends with the US again and the HDP political situation explained above, You yourself will realise that the CHP will never instruct the TSK to move deeper into Syria or strike the PKK; either they will keep the status quo from the AKP tenure or they will retreat and allow the PKK to reorganise their lines and repeat the same mistake as AKP pre 2016
Dont get me wrong, friend
Iam not saying that Turkey is weak by any chance. However, you are literally gonna go against the top 2 dogs in the field
Like if the TSK level (in gaming terms) is 100 and the average is 30. Certainly that is high and really good but dont pick a fight with 2 guys who level are nearing the 300s
At least wait 5-10 more years
By the way, what is your obsession with Tayyip?
I respect those who try to change the status quo one way or another
Whether its Tayyip, Putin, or Xi jinping..... etc
Lets say and isnult them as much as we want, but they are trying to break the status quo and change it to their favour and certainly the globla political dynamic is starting to move away from the WEST
You don't live here and you're not a Turk. Focus on Albania buddy.
Iam, but the political situation in Albania isnt as hectic as yours
Albania is sadly weak and small, we dont have the necessary infrastucture, resources, willpower, or even geopolitical position to grow. However, you guys do and it is such a shame to see this gone and while it will seem a bit crazy; some of my ancestors are turkish in origin. Thus, turkish blood does flow in my viens albeit small and this made me a bit interested in Turkish affairs considering that most countries talk about it these days, lool
 
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Sir with all due respect, the fact that even some CHP members are questioning the validity of Mavi Vatan doctrine is wrong by itself. You cant just elect a party whose members believe that their own territorial rights is just outright expanisve. This is god damn treason. Cancer at first starts from a cell or two and then rapidly spreads until it is uncontrollable. The same scenario applies to this case; such ppl needs to be silenced or you will just end up splitting Turkey 10 years into the future

Moreover, why are the CHP working with the HDP! I still remember pre 2016 when ppl (particularly the CHP) called Erdogan a traitor for allying with the HDP and starting peace talks stating that turkish blood is in his hands. However, what about now? Why does The party that was initially made by Ataturk to support turkish integrity and rights support the HDP? and when the AKP starts to criticise them, they state that this is for justice, honour and freedom. My question is why isnt these critriea applied when the AKP was the one doing stuff

Furthermore, one of the rising stars of the CHP, Ikrem Imamoglu, met with the GREEK PM in Athens days after the greek cyprus educational ministry asked teachers to rip pages that contained Ataturk from their book, why tf would you do that? They insulted the hero and leader of your nation, they insulted the core values that the CHP was built upon and for what? Peace? Fq peace! Anyone who insults my heritage or founder shall get the _I_ (no offense meant to anyone tbh)

For the past few months, the CHP actions has been way too contradictory
With some praying for Adnan menderes
With some wanna reopen FETO schools
With some who just wanna crush religion from Turkey
With some who supports women to wear their hijabs even after the CHP won
With some criticising Mavi Vatan
With some promoting Mavi Vatan
With some opposing refugees
With some promoting refugees
With some planting trees with top HDP officials in Istanbul
With some praying for the turkish soldiers who died by the hands of the PKK


Rn, I dont know which path does the CHP want to take. They are just offering their hand to all sorts of ppl just to win VOTES!


How can I offer my votes to a party who doesnt stick to its core values and doesnt even have a predictable path. When I place my vote in a party, I would like to know which path it takes and not the opposite
Such parties are generally two-faced in where they trick most political groups just so that they take power and then reveal their true face
At least i know that the AKP are hardcore islamists, nationalists, imperialists and thieves; I can predict what sort of path they can take as long as Erdo is leading the party
However, If I was a turk, I would never vote for the CHP and place my country's future in the hands of a Russian Roulette and see which face of the CHP i end up with! That would be ridiculous! Normally ppl wanna even remove the 0.00001% chance of splitting and here Iam putting the CHP into power with policies that promote HDP terror group and some of CHP members believe that the rights of the Turks of the future genrations in Mavi Vatan is expansionists. Truly insane

If you wanna replace Erdo, replace him with a better candidate and not worse for Gods sake


Sorry if i typed for too long
I wanted to add sources but that would have even taken more space
If you want though, I can supply you with them
I said, source didn't i ?

Sorry, but i just searched for a link and didn't read. Just asking can you back your claims with actual source.

Seems like not.

Doing Erdogan propaganda here won't effect the outcome of the next election and believe me Erdogan even using all state funds and institions for his propaganda but to no effect, every months he is losing more votes in the polls.


Inflation, Unemployement.


Said, it for numerous times in this forum. No one cares AKP supporters lies and propaganda anymore.

I see that you are just a Radical Islamists worshipping Erdogan like that Bosnian guy and just like him, i'm blocking you. Nothing personal, i don't wanna lose my time scrolling wall of texts, full of lies.
 
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I said, source didn't i ?

Sorry, but i just searched for a link and didn't read. Just asking can you back your claims with actual source.

Seems like not.

Doing Erdogan propaganda here won't effect the outcome of the next election and believe me Erdogan even using all state funds and institions for his propaganda but to no effect, every months he is losing more votes in the polls.


Inflation, Unemployement.


Said, it for numerous times in this forum. No one cares AKP supporters lies and propaganda anymore.

I see that you are just a Radical Islamists worshipping Erdogan like that Bosnian guy and just like him, i'm blocking you. Nothing personal, i don't wanna lose my time scrolling wall of texts, full of lies.
Blocking him because he dont have same views as you? Dont that go against your principals as a democtratic and secular turkey? Just reframe your statement and say « i dont wana lose my time scrolling seeing opinions of others except the secular turkey values... whats the point with the forum if we cant share our knowledge, and exchange?
 

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All these quarrels are because we have to pick a side between cancer and death. We are discussing over who is the cancer and who is the death.

We should be talking about how to break this siege on our politics.

Is it too much to ask for a secular nationalist government that prioritises its countrys interests while valuing democracy and principle of division of forces?
 

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I said, source didn't i ?

Sorry, but i just searched for a link and didn't read. Just asking can you back your claims with actual source.

Seems like not.

Doing Erdogan propaganda here won't effect the outcome of the next election and believe me Erdogan even using all state funds and institions for his propaganda but to no effect, every months he is losing more votes in the polls.
Sources:

CHP leader comemorating Adnan Menderes:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="tr" dir="ltr">Darbeler ve siyasi idamlar, ülkemizin demokrasisinde onarılması güç yaralar açmıştır. Yaşanan acılardan ders almak, demokrasiyi sarsılmaz bir biçimde inşa etmek zorundayız. Vefat yıl dönümlerinde, Adnan Menderes, Fatin Rüştü Zorlu ve Hasan Polatkan’ı rahmetle anıyorum.</p>&mdash; Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu (@kilicdarogluk) <a href=" ">September 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

CHP supporting women wearing hijab

CHP promotes refugees
I cant find the tweet by the CHP official
Iam still searching for it
Give me some time


CHP wants to kick refugees out


CHP stating that they can "talk" the PKK to drop their weapons through HDP

Inflation, Unemployement.


Said, it for numerous times in this forum. No one cares AKP supporters lies and propaganda anymore.
I never did support the current economic policies though
Why do you act as if Iam infavour of them?
Certainly I do respect Erdo's ambition but proper economic conditions can be done even if the CHP isnt ruling the country. As i said in many posts, the main problem is in the CHP itself and not in the idea of opposition
I see that you are just a Radical Islamists worshipping Erdogan like that Bosnian guy and just like him, i'm blocking you. Nothing personal, i don't wanna lose my time scrolling wall of texts, full of lies.
Iam Christian tbh
 
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CHP neither Cancer nor corruptioner.

Corruptioners have been sitting on their chairs for 20 years.

Kılıçdaroğlu is a person who sent his son to army to serve on contrary Erdoğan.

Kılıçdaroğlu is a person who always wears Turkish flag.
Kılıçdaroğlu is a person whose ancestors made Anatolia muslims.
Kılıçdaroğlu is a person who first said need to send back refugees.

You can't demonize him with your fundamentalism.


İ had already ignored those bots.

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Conclusion of all this rumbling on topic would be that most reasonable option is akp chp coalition for nation benefit sake, as much it is sounds unreasonable, that one would provided needed stability and much needed time to officials to deal with acute and chronic problems within Turkish state and society on all levels.
 
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