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AKP-CHP-MHP are working in synch, because the shitshow that is running is to smooth, their speeches, their actions this is odd.

The whole scenario makes no f*cking sense, i opened social media today saw all the staments from the different parties and was like wtf am i dreaming? This whole shitshow makes no sense, the claims by Bahceli are beyond hilarious if someone believes the PKK/YPG will surrender because that bastard OCalan said so then you are out of your mind. Then Özgür Özel taking that statement and literally adding his approval and support...
These guys are proud to be a Turkiyeli. Yes, Turkiyeli!

After they tried to abolish Turkishness (Turkluk), introduced this "genial invention", touched upon a federation system, changed the ruling system and created the basis for a demographic catastrophe trough the refugee crisis, which will cost the country its Turkish identity in favor for a multi-cultural mess, now they are in the final preparations for a constitutional change which will validate all their positions and thesis. They think that by doing what they are doing they will be the white pigeons of peace uniting everyone, but they will fail miserably.

This is no longer a talk about discrimination based on ethnic or religious beliefs, this is no longer a talk about oppression or lack of rights, but this is a talk on externally supported actors who try everything possible to create imaginary problems and solutions to these problems in order to weaken the State, so they can rape the sovereignty of the Republic of Turkiye.

There is a reason why Mustafa Kemal ATATURK decided to found the country and unite the Nation based on the known foundational principles. Yes, the constitution is not an eternal thing, the State together with the world is transforming itself and appropriate reforms might be done, but what they are trying to do is totally different. The whole political system is infiltrated.

"I am the herd, I am the shepherd and the wolf is again me!"
 

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When I was in Hakkari, there was a saying I heard from a Kurdish poet: Osman's game and Zeydan's lamb never end. By Osman he meant Turks. Zeydan was already the dominant tribe there. By lamb he meant the Kurds.
Now Osman has opened a new game. Ozgur Özel has fallen straight into the trap.

Now I ask, is it better for Abdullah Öcalan to die in Turkey? Or abroad in France or Germany?

If you see Devlet Bahceli as a party leader, you will make a mistake.
 

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These guys are proud to be a Turkiyeli. Yes, Turkiyeli!

After they tried to abolish Turkishness (Turkluk), introduced this "genial invention", touched upon a federation system, changed the ruling system and created the basis for a demographic catastrophe trough the refugee crisis, which will cost the country its Turkish identity in favor for a multi-cultural mess, now they are in the final preparations for a constitutional change which will validate all their positions and thesis. They think that by doing what they are doing they will be the white pigeons of peace uniting everyone, but they will fail miserably.

This is no longer a talk about discrimination based on ethnic or religious beliefs, this is no longer a talk about oppression or lack of rights, but this is a talk on externally supported actors who try everything possible to create imaginary problems and solutions to these problems in order to weaken the State, so they can rape the sovereignty of the Republic of Turkiye.

There is a reason why Mustafa Kemal ATATURK decided to found the country and unite the Nation based on the known foundational principles. Yes, the constitution is not an eternal thing, the State together with the world is transforming itself and appropriate reforms might be done, but what they are trying to do is totally different. The whole political system is infiltrated.

"I am the herd, I am the shepherd and the wolf is again me!"
The castle is unfortuntely crumbling from the inside.

If the people don't wake up and protest, if the military doesn't stop them from changing the constitution then this will lead to chaos and further could lead to a civil war.
 

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Ok if this is how they're going to justify it, even a good portion of AKP-MHP base will find it childish, unless something happens which will make the justification work on some level. Islamists and nationalists are generally dimwits, so you'd fully expect them to make a bad calculation but even then they've been preparing and coordinating this for some time now and they know they're swimming against the current of political climate. The political climate couldn't be more different than the first çözüm süreci.

Case in point, here's the first comment:
 

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I think very differently from Cem Gürdeniz on most issues but he's extremely erudite and smart. His two books are in my top 50 favorite books of all time, which is quite impressive as I don't agree with almost any of the main arguments. But he has been singing the praises of our BRICS application, meaning that he took it seriously. He should've been asking himself how can one square that circle, considering the rest of the picture?
 

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When I was in Hakkari, there was a saying I heard from a Kurdish poet: Osman's game and Zeydan's lamb never end. By Osman he meant Turk. Zeydan was already the dominant tribe there. By lamb he meant the Kurds.
Now Osman has opened a new game. Ozgur Özel has fallen straight into the trap.

Now I ask, is it better for Abdullah Öcalan to die in Turkey? Or abroad in France or Germany?

If you see Devlet Bahceli as a party leader, you will make a mistake.
 

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I think very differently from Cem Gürdeniz on most issues but he's extremely erudite and smart. His two books are in my top 50 favorite books of all time, which is quite impressive as I don't agree with almost any of the main arguments. But he has been singing the praises of our BRICS application, meaning that he took it seriously. He should've been asking himself how can one square that circle, considering the rest of the picture?
I respect Admiral Gürdeniz immensely, but he has damaged my trust in him by sugesting Russian naval base in Cyprus.
 

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When I was in Hakkari, there was a saying I heard from a Kurdish poet: Osman's game and Zeydan's lamb never end. By Osman he meant Turk. Zeydan was already the dominant tribe there. By lamb he meant the Kurds.
Now Osman has opened a new game. Ozgur Özel has fallen straight into the trap.

Now I ask, is it better for Abdullah Öcalan to die in Turkey? Or abroad in France or Germany?

If you see Devlet Bahceli as a party leader, you will make a mistake.
What people call Derin Devlet have mostly been American puppets. So yeah he's more than a party leader, probably the top 3 of the Derin Devlet, but still only a puppet in the big picture. These same irrelevant people have unwittingly helped U.S. establish two Kurdish states right on our border, their capitalists have helped one of these states prosper when they could be stifled and destabilized to change ethnic makeup under more astute political actors. They have agreed to Finland and Sweden accession without being able to gain any concessions, and are bankrolling Israel's genocide through their main gas pipeline while propagandizing simpletons to the contrary. Greek coast guard violate our mainland, Eastern med maximalism of Greece has been unchallenged since 2021, etc.

These are low-educated, stupid puppets, nothing more. I'm not against playing these games, but principled and highly-educated people should be playing them not rustic hustlers.
 
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İstanbul Barosu'nda PKK halayı!

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İbrahim Kaboğlu who pavying the legal path for changing the first 4 item of constitutions and always defend PKK

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i will rewrite short version of my old post about PKK organization

1) finance : this is the branch that gather money for PKK which made of 2 branch legal illegal. legal branch are made of legitimate bussineses made and some time used for money laundering. illegal branch are those who control drug dealers prostitutes and protection money . they hide their true identity

2) intelligence : this branch is provide by foreign country's secret services

3) think tank : this is the branch that prepare plans for PKK made of academia and people on powerful positions, from doctors to lawyers to engineers to university professors historians sociologist etc. İbrahim Kaboğlu Şebnem Korur Fincancı are few of them. they hide their true identity

4) core member : these are the most trusted and oldest member they receive money from finance branch intelligence from western countries and plans from think tank then choose the best path then send the money plan and intelligence to execution branch to be executed

5) execution (icra) : these are the people whom their faces are know to all of us and their duty to execute the PKK plans made of 2 branches legal and illegal. the illegals are PKK terrorist in the mountains . the legal are from HDP members of parliament to actors to singers who victimized PKK and start psychological war on people to those who made movies song and documentaries for PKK and against Turkish state and Turkish identity. aynur doğan who singe for PKK and can dundar who made documentary against Ataturk and show him a drunk kafir and eren erdem who defended them are few people in legal execution branch


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from left to right : mehmet baransu, şebnem korur fincancı,İbrahim Kaboğlu think tank of PKK who revealed their true color​

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the picture above is mehmet baransu with bagged full of forige documentry who started ergenekon and balyoz kumpas trails and become a PKK terrorist who killed more turkish generals then PKK and ASALA combine

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şebnem korur fincancı who was head of berö of health he was called as health expert to ergenekon and balyoz kompas trail and althogh the evidence show adil serdar saçan head of combating orginazed crime didnt done any toucher who give false testemoney that he did hence leave 10-9 years old girls to be gangraped in the pedephil tarikat of adnan oktar. later she said TSK use chemical weapons in afrin in order to blackend the name of the army

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İbrahim Kaboğlu head of istanbul law berö perparing pkk lawyers and secretly gave law idea for PKK against Turkish police and army

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firat sari PKK terrorist doctor who was arrested in old turkey and in Erdogan's new turkey during çozüm süreci allowed to return to medicine he is famously scamming as much money as possible for PKK and killing Turkish babies​
 
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only killing terrorist on montuin wont end PKK you need to attack all 5 branches just like Jitem as PKK was finished by the year 2000 and revived by erdogan during çözöm süreci


tribute to rahmetli arif doğan founder of Jitem​
 

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If you put your future on the trust of politicians.

This is the result.

By this rate I really do support a coup. With the Turkish military hanging all those traitorous politicians.

Treason cant be forgiven. Erdogan, Bahceli and Chp, Akp all of them should be ashamed of themselves.


Ozan Arif was pretty much right about Devlet Bahceli.
 

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In the end the US has put us in line. Our decade long declining economy has spent all the fuel and there's none left. So the way out is to follow the prescription of the US.

We are going to acknowledge and recognize YPG as a legitimate state distinct from PKK. A few days ago Mehmet Metiner has said this:

"Our government is not disturbed by the administration or the gains of the Kurds in Syria. On the contrary, it is pleased. A Kurdish autonomous region similar to the one in Iraq can be established in Syria, we have no objection."

The probable course of action; They will release Öcalan. He will command PKK to dissolve. A few PKK terrorists would surrender only for show or be given passaports. We will recognize YPG as ordered. And western money and investments starts flowing in. At least that must be the thing that was promised. We would also deliver S400 to third parties and become the vassal of the US.

This is not my theory. I've been listening to "Harun Reşit Aydın"(twitter spaces) to make sense of this fucking scandal.

He also hinted that we will be warring against China in this conjecture. I could not make the connection as foreign policy is not my strong suit.

Edit: "become the vassal of the US" part belongs to me. Not to Harun Reşit.
 
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Ümit Özdağ too like Mansur Yavaş took negative stance to these news.We really need snap elections at the moment.

 
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