TR Politics

[Sanchez]

Çimer

It's not Çimer, it's Cimer, abbreviated from "Presidential Communication Center". Which surprisingly tells a lot about your level of knowledge on Turkey and the language to be honest.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I don't know what you want? Do you want a politician who will protect Turkey's interests as much as possible?
Or do you want a politician who can be manipulated by the West and the East, Imamoglu has no foreign policy experience, on the international stage they would not only trap him with money, blackmail or sex, but they will eat him up and do everything to turn him into a puppet incapable of acting, whether by persuasion or blackmail! So that Turkey withdraws its investments in the arms industry, its economic and strategic expansion in the world.
The first thing the Europeans and the US government want is the old relations with Turkey, preferably a Turkey that begs with an open hand and is totally dependent.

As for the corruption of politicians, I see no difference, if politician XY comes to power, there will still be nepotism with his own people and then with other people.
It's not going to get any better, but unfortunately that's the way politics works, regardless of the country.
But there is a difference between a politician who enriches himself or distributes money as a necessary evil and one who only enriches himself and does nothing for the country.
I cannot see how Mr. Imamoglu has improved the conditions in Istanbul. The sanitary conditions are catastrophic, such as the garbage disposal, the garbage cans, electricity boxes, pipes are unsecured and lying around openly in the neighborhoods, there are enough reports. The sewage system is flooded almost every year without really being cleaned and improved.
There are countless reports that he also distributes money among his people and bribes people, these reports can be true or false, the truth, as always, lies in the middle.
If you can't even improve and handle the infrastructure of a city, how can you run a country as a whole?

Think about it, for years the Europeans and the US government have been trying to get rid of Erdoğan through various campaigns, agendas and anti-Turkey smears, why do you think????

 

[Scott Summers]

To hell with Ekrem.

I dont like queer politicians. Same as Selahattin Demirtaş, another queer.

Not only there bodylanguage, but the fact that both of them are Pride-movement activists, to the extreme, say enough for me.

If i can choose between a corrupt islamist and a leftist culture-marxist (feminism, trotskism, communism, genderneutralism, transgenderism, LHBTQ+AFCRT), i always prefer the corrupt islamist. At least i know that my asshole is protected and that the woman to who i speak in the restaurant is a real woman and not a man with boobs.

 

[Tornadoss]

To hell with Ekrem.

I dont like queer politicians. Same as Selahattin Demirtaş, another queer.

Not only there bodylanguage, but the fact that both of them are Pride-movement activists, to the extreme, say enough for me.

If i can choose between a corrupt islamist and a leftist culture-marxist (feminism, trotskism, communism, genderneutralism, transgenderism, LHBTQ+AFCRT), i always prefer the corrupt islamist. At least i know that my asshole is protected and that the woman to who i speak in the restaurant is a real woman and not a man with boobs.

A corrupt islamist still might want to fuck you in the ass. Or molest your kids in quran school.

 

[Iskander]

I don't know what you want? Do you want a politician who will protect Turkey's interests as much as possible?
Or do you want a politician who can be manipulated by the West and the East, Imamoglu has no foreign policy experience, on the international stage they would not only trap him with money, blackmail or sex, but they will eat him up and do everything to turn him into a puppet incapable of acting, whether by persuasion or blackmail! So that Turkey withdraws its investments in the arms industry, its economic and strategic expansion in the world.
The first thing the Europeans and the US government want is the old relations with Turkey, preferably a Turkey that begs with an open hand and is totally dependent.

As for the corruption of politicians, I see no difference, if politician XY comes to power, there will still be nepotism with his own people and then with other people.
It's not going to get any better, but unfortunately that's the way politics works, regardless of the country.
But there is a difference between a politician who enriches himself or distributes money as a necessary evil and one who only enriches himself and does nothing for the country.
I cannot see how Mr. Imamoglu has improved the conditions in Istanbul. The sanitary conditions are catastrophic, such as the garbage disposal, the garbage cans, electricity boxes, pipes are unsecured and lying around openly in the neighborhoods, there are enough reports. The sewage system is flooded almost every year without really being cleaned and improved.
There are countless reports that he also distributes money among his people and bribes people, these reports can be true or false, the truth, as always, lies in the middle.
If you can't even improve and handle the infrastructure of a city, how can you run a country as a whole?

Think about it, for years the Europeans and the US government have been trying to get rid of Erdoğan through various campaigns, agendas and anti-Turkey smears, why do you think????

There is no one to answer. The entire forum is at a rally
Erdogan has been in power for a long time. Many are tired of him. Many criticize him, but only because of his domestic policies. I have nothing to say about this. I am only interested in Turkey's foreign policy and its military-industrial complex.

In the spring of 1998, I accidentally found myself at a rally for the only time in my life. It happened in Istanbul. I had just arrived in Turkey for the first time. When I arrived in Eminonu, I saw a lot of people there. I approached them and asked why they were standing there. They told me that the mayor had been arrested and we were protesting against it.
"Why was he arrested?"
"Because of a poem."
I mistakenly thought that the arrested mayor of the city was a poet-politician.
I love poetry. I can't stand politicians who arrest poets. I am a citizen of another country - in protest against this blatant injustice, I stayed there with them.

Only 5 years after this politician came to power I realized whose rally I was at

I'm trying to imagine a meeting between one of the leaders of the Turkish opposition and Putin. Which of them would he treat almost as an equal?
The situation in the world is very complicated now. You have to be a genius to be able to protect Turkey's interests in this whirlpool of events, while having several times fewer resources than Russia, China, the EU, the USA.

 

[Tonyukuk]

To hell with Ekrem.

I dont like queer politicians. Same as Selahattin Demirtaş, another queer.

Not only there bodylanguage, but the fact that both of them are Pride-movement activists, to the extreme, say enough for me.

If i can choose between a corrupt islamist and a leftist culture-marxist (feminism, trotskism, communism, genderneutralism, transgenderism, LHBTQ+AFCRT), i always prefer the corrupt islamist. At least i know that my asshole is protected and that the woman to who i speak in the restaurant is a real woman and not a man with boobs.

What did you say?

 

[Tonyukuk]

Greek Perspective:



"Exactly as you write it, to put it bluntly? The least worst of the worst are the Islamists for us. In addition, the invasion of Cyprus was carried out by Kemalists"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1902410019712209285

"Turkey's Foreign Policy remains unchanged since the time of Atatürk, there is no dilemma for us who is the best but the least is the worst. Let's think that the invasion of Cyprus was done by Kemalists, who urged Erdoğan to take Aegean islands"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1902460762242855279

Seems like Greeks want Erdo to stay

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Erdogan is a power politician, he has Machiavellian traits, if it benefits him he does it, for good or bad. If it doesn't benefit him or harms him, he distances himself from it or fights against it. This is normal for a politician, Erdogan is most comparable to Trump, only that Erdogan is smarter and masters the foreign policy chess game very well and knows how to play off his opponents provided he has the means.

Domestically, he has the problem of inflation, which he is trying to balance out with economic expansion and the promotion of the arms industry, i.e. to transform the country from an emerging economy into an industrial nation.
This is not without disadvantages because if Turkey turns from an importer into a global exporter, the other countries, e.g. Europe, will want to prevent this because Turkey leaves the European sphere of control and becomes a rival for economic, strategic and military resources. Turkey is expanding to the west, east and south and there are countries that do not want this.

He is not the ideal politician and clearly has faults, but in my opinion he is the only politician who has the capacity to effectively represent Turkey's interests both domestically and, above all, in foreign policy. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Tonyukuk]

Erdogan is a power politician, he has Machiavellian traits, if it benefits him he does it, for good or bad. If it doesn't benefit him or harms him, he distances himself from it or fights against it. This is normal for a politician, Erdogan is most comparable to Trump, only that Erdogan is smarter and masters the foreign policy chess game very well and knows how to play off his opponents provided he has the means.

Domestically, he has the problem of inflation, which he is trying to balance out with economic expansion and the promotion of the arms industry, i.e. to transform the country from an emerging economy into an industrial nation.
This is not without disadvantages because if Turkey turns from an importer into a global exporter, the other countries, e.g. Europe, will want to prevent this because Turkey leaves the European sphere of control and becomes a rival for economic, strategic and military resources. Turkey is expanding to the west, east and south and there are countries that do not want this.

He is not the ideal politician and clearly has faults, but in my opinion he is the only politician who has the capacity to effectively represent Turkey's interests both domestically and, above all, in foreign policy. But that's just my opinion.

"I don't live in Turkey but I love watching Erdogan being treated like a sultan when he goes to Muslim countries. He is a 7D chess player, even a French newspaper said so! I also couldn't give less of a fuck about the economy, as long as everything is cheap when I go there for my yearly holiday"


Bro please on a serious note, Türkiye is punching way way below its weight. You think it's the opposite but it's not. Think about this. Atatürk took what remained of a dead empire and defeated 7 armies, including the strongest in the world to create the republic. Then in the 70s half of Cyprus was captured by the military. In the 90s Türkiye was clashing with PKK in Iraq and teaching Greece a lesson over the Aegean. Both Greece and Syria back down when Türkiye threatened war.

The defence industry was already booming by 90s with Cobras, MLRS and ballistic missiles being produced. Erdoğan just came at a good time. Like all dictators, he only views the military as two things. A threat to himself and a tool for political propaganda.

Erdoğan inherited a nation with the greatest military history in existence, a highly competent army, a booming defence sector, a nation that is on the most strategic land in the world and borders two failed states and one failing state which have large Turkic minorities. Yet all that's happened is Kurdistan has been established in both failed states, with Erdo's own İslamist buddies backstabbing him in Syria. Meanwhile, Iran continues to give PKK weapons that can shoot down MALE UCAVs and Türkiye just responds to Iran with sweet words.

What a joke, sad to see Türkiye in this state.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

"I don't live in Turkey but I love watching Erdogan being treated like a sultan when he goes to Muslim countries. He is a 7D chess player, even a French newspaper said so! I also couldn't give less of a fuck about the economy, as long as everything is cheap when I go there for my yearly holiday"


Bro please on a serious note, Türkiye is punching way way below its weight. You think it's the opposite but it's not. Think about this. Atatürk took what remained of a dead empire and defeated 7 armies, including the strongest in the world to create the republic. Then in the 70s half of Cyprus was captured by the military. In the 90s Türkiye was clashing with PKK in Iraq and teaching Greece a lesson over the Aegean. Both Greece and Syria back down when Türkiye threatened war.

The defence industry was already booming by 90s with Cobras, MLRS and ballistic missiles being produced. Erdoğan just came at a good time. Like all dictators, he only views the military as two things. A threat to himself and a tool for political propaganda.

Erdoğan inherited a nation with the greatest military history in existence, a highly competent army, a booming defence sector, a nation that is on the most strategic land in the world and borders two failed states and one failing state which have large Turkic minorities. Yet all that's happened is Kurdistan has been established in both failed states, with Erdo's own İslamist buddies backstabbing him in Syria. Meanwhile, Iran continues to give PKK weapons that can shoot down MALE UCAVs and Türkiye just responds to Iran with sweet words.

What a joke, sad to see Türkiye in this state.

This may be true in part, but the politicians failed to focus on and promote this industrial transformation between 1980s -> 200X. It is clear that in retrospect it is always easy to criticize Turkey's policies before the Erdogan era. But the fact is that if a German mark or euro in the modern era between the 1980s and early 2000s costs hundreds of thousands or millions of old Turkish lira, then Turkish politicians, economic experts and to some extent the industry and defense industry have simply failed in my eyes.
People were reminded of the golden age between 2008-2016
but it is normal that there is also a period of change and recession in every country.

 

[TheInsider]

Balyoz-Ergenekon cases reloaded. Watch AKP flooding media with "proofs", "voice recordings", and "videos".

 

[I_Love_F16]

Bears repeating.

That was the exact reason as to why Erdogan weakened the military so bad. This way he can neutralize his opponents without consequences. Now the army is completely castrated, and filled with yes mens. Turkiye officialy became like Russia.

 

[Anastasius]

I'm really wondering when the patience of the average Turkish citizen will run out. Your neighbors had civil wars over much less.

 

[Asena_great]

"I don't live in Turkey but I love watching Erdogan being treated like a sultan when he goes to Muslim countries. He is a 7D chess player, even a French newspaper said so! I also couldn't give less of a fuck about the economy, as long as everything is cheap when I go there for my yearly holiday"


Bro please on a serious note, Türkiye is punching way way below its weight. You think it's the opposite but it's not. Think about this. Atatürk took what remained of a dead empire and defeated 7 armies, including the strongest in the world to create the republic. Then in the 70s half of Cyprus was captured by the military. In the 90s Türkiye was clashing with PKK in Iraq and teaching Greece a lesson over the Aegean. Both Greece and Syria back down when Türkiye threatened war.

The defence industry was already booming by 90s with Cobras, MLRS and ballistic missiles being produced. Erdoğan just came at a good time. Like all dictators, he only views the military as two things. A threat to himself and a tool for political propaganda.

Erdoğan inherited a nation with the greatest military history in existence, a highly competent army, a booming defence sector, a nation that is on the most strategic land in the world and borders two failed states and one failing state which have large Turkic minorities. Yet all that's happened is Kurdistan has been established in both failed states, with Erdo's own İslamist buddies backstabbing him in Syria. Meanwhile, Iran continues to give PKK weapons that can shoot down MALE UCAVs and Türkiye just responds to Iran with sweet words.

What a joke, sad to see Türkiye in this state.

@Tonyukuk you can add this video to erdogan as well !!

 

[Asena_great]

Interesting point is the flag for this operation has been carried on the media front mostly by ROK and Cem Küçük. The methods and mo are very familiar, same players involved.

ROK and Cem Küçük have blood of 878 people on their hand they were the media generals of psychological war on army during ergenekon and balyoz kumpas trails they along with nagehan alçi and hilal kaplan paved the way for opening of kozmik oda !

 

[Sanchez]

To hell with Ekrem.

I dont like queer politicians. Same as Selahattin Demirtaş, another queer.

Not only there bodylanguage, but the fact that both of them are Pride-movement activists, to the extreme, say enough for me.

If i can choose between a corrupt islamist and a leftist culture-marxist (feminism, trotskism, communism, genderneutralism, transgenderism, LHBTQ+AFCRT), i always prefer the corrupt islamist. At least i know that my asshole is protected and that the woman to who i speak in the restaurant is a real woman and not a man with boobs.

Yeah, I'm done. Get out of here with this bullshit.

 

[Rooxbar]

Nothing says a purely legal case from an independent judiciary like blocking the internet, banning protests, bringing police from other provinces from days before, threatening journalists who report the case, and trying desperately to hammer home the point that this is somehow a terrorism and criminal organization case (to give you excuse to appoint a trustee) by raiding the house of a civilian with hundreds of police in gear for someone for whom you have zero evidence of armed resistance or escape.

 

[Rooxbar]

ROK and Cem Küçük have blood of 878 people on their hand they were the media generals of psychological war on army during ergenekon and balyoz kumpas trails they along with nagehan alçi and hilal kaplan paved the way for opening of kozmik oda !

Hilal Kaplan and Nagehan Alçı have a history of sharing their views verbatim and exact parallels in how they've changed them, with regards to a very strong emphasis on Armenian 'genocide', oppression of Kurds, Ergenekon-Balyoz, against tutelage, etc. before and after 2016.

 

[Lool]

It seems my previous statement is slowly becoming correct

As I said before, the crooks who supported Imamoglu were the ones who betrayed him and sold him to Erdogan in return for greater power

Erdogan isnt an idiot or he would have died long ago. Whether you like him or not, we must admit that he played this game for more than 20 years and is already a master at it. He knows that there will be rising public unrest if he ever arrested Imamoglu without reason and yet he did so anyways and this may imply that Erdogan has some serious evidence regarding Imamoglu along with some of his cronies that even Imamoglu himself cant escape from

This also explains why Imamoglu initiated this early presidential candidate fiasco, 4 years before the election even begins. He probably got a tip that some1 from his circle betrayed him and so he turned the story into a public case in order to pressure Erdogan to leave him alone

Erdogan is admitting that it was the CHP that sold data about Imamoglu to the police
"They are also aware that most of the information and documents (investigation into corruption and terrorism against the Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality) were transferred to the judiciary by their own party members"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1902779480990507220

 

[B_A]

Nothing says a purely legal case from an independent judiciary like blocking the internet, banning protests, bringing police from other provinces from days before, threatening journalists who report the case, and trying desperately to hammer home the point that this is somehow a terrorism and criminal organization case (to give you excuse to appoint a trustee) by raiding the house of a civilian with hundreds of police in gear for someone for whom you have zero evidence of armed resistance or escape.

There are no purely legal case in whole world now.....

US,Korea,EU,Japan are same...