TR Politics

[Barry]

Always funny to see the Arab Wanabe Umtards posting from whatever ME hellhole they live in to start talking shit about Secularism and Turkiye. If one of these morons opened a book other than the Quran, that'd be nice.

All they can do is talk shit in-between the see-saw of killing each other or being bombed by the West. Forever fucking useless idiots. They wonder why the entire world hates Muslims and sees them as backwards savages with no culture other than grooming children and dying under American bombs.

 

[Ripley]

There’s this term strongly followed and encouraged within American military high ranks.
It’s called “esprit de corps”, meaning “group spirit” “refers to camaraderie, shared purpose and devotion to a cause among members of a group“ (generative AI google)

And below is a guy who is light years away from the fact, from the moment.
He simply can’t read the room as they say. After 5 seconds of spilling his agenda, he was ’gently’ singled out by the crowd.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904452050983035218

That’s one of the reasons they never win and will never win.
They can never read the room.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I find that funny anyway, many people talk here that the AKP and its supporters are radical Islamists, in the 20+ years I have not seen that there is a Sharia law in Turkey, totally and absolutely focused on it or worked towards it. This is an arch conservative party in my eyes, like the Christian Zionist bloc of Republicans in the US.
Women still walk around in miniskirts and wear thongs to the beach, they are also free to work government jobs in the government, military and industries with power.
Alcohol is still served in bars and restaurants and there is still fornication with escorts etc. There are still discos and parties.
Turkey is generally a Muslim liberal country, the only Islamists in my eyes are the Hür Dava (Hüdapar) party, but the AKP is far from that although they actively or passively cooperate with them.

Islamic culture belongs to Turkey, it is our culture and our heritage.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

I find that funny anyway, many people talk here that the AKP and its supporters are radical Islamists, in the 20+ years I have not seen that there is a Sharia law in Turkey, totally and absolutely focused on it or worked towards it. This is an arch conservative party in my eyes, like the Christian Zionist bloc of Republicans in the US.
Women still walk around in miniskirts and wear thongs to the beach, they are also free to work government jobs in the government, military and industries with power.
Alcohol is still served in bars and restaurants and there is still fornication with escorts etc. There are still discos and parties.
Turkey is generally a Muslim liberal country, the only Islamists in my eyes are the Hür Dava (Hüdapar) party, but the AKP is far from that although they actively or passively cooperate with them.

Islamic culture belongs to Turkey, it is our culture and our heritage.

You can't turn a secular nation into one ruled by sharia law overnight. That worked in Iran with the efforts of western intelligence, but would never work in Türkiye due to multiple factors, one of which was and still is to a small extent, the military.

Why do you think the CIA made FETÖ creep into the military?

Erdoğan has been slowly chipping away at secularism, but has failed. The population, the youth in particular, is too well educated in the age of the internet. Erdoğan removed subjects such as evolution from school curriculums and replaced them with mandatory religious subjects... but this backfired and youth wants nothing to do with Islam.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

You can't turn a secular nation into one ruled by sharia law overnight. That worked in Iran with the efforts of western intelligence, but would never work in Türkiye due to multiple factors, one of which was and still is to a small extent, the military.

Why do you think the CIA made FETÖ creep into the military?

Erdoğan has been slowly chipping away at secularism, but has failed. The population, the youth in particular, is too well educated in the age of the internet. Erdoğan removed subjects such as evolution from school curriculums and replaced them with mandatory religious subjects... but this backfired and youth wants nothing to do with Islam.

Then you have answered that yourself, Turkey cannot be transformed into a Sharia law because the demography of the population does not allow it.
I stick to the fact that the AKP is an arch-conservative party and sry guys but in the arch-conservative block of the US Republicans there are also people who reject Darwin's theories even though they are scientifically correct.
You are all making a fuss about the AKP and bla bla bla they want to turn Turkey into Iran 2.0.
It's all about power, influence and money and votes and you don't win votes in the heartland by politicking for same-sex marriage among gays and minorities rights. Conservative voters and Republicans like myself, among others, don't easily vote for that.
It is not my view and I stand by it, and minority politics has never moved a country forward.

According to my latest findings, this is what the CHP stands for in its election program. They have supported these gay pride demonstrations, minority rights, and have reprimanded the current government for suppressing freedom of expression.
Why should I vote for such a party?

 

[TheInsider]

This is not about Islam, sharia law, or whether Turkiye becomes a better or worse place without Erdogan. Turkiye is on its way to becoming a one-man dictatorship. It is not even a single-party dictatorship because in single-party dictatorships, there are various checks and balances inside the ruling party. Neither Stalin nor Assad had, nor Xi Jinping has ultimate power, but Erdogan is on his way to claiming it similar to Putin and Aliyev. This has the utmost priority and it has to be addressed as soon as possible. Whether Turkiye becomes a better or worse place after Erdogan is a secondary problem.

I don't want Erdogan to be president until he dies, even if I know my life will improve and be better, but objectively, this is highly unlikely as the man has no clue how the economy works.

 

[I_Love_F16]

Then you have answered that yourself, Turkey cannot be transformed into a Sharia law because the demography of the population does not allow it.
I stick to the fact that the AKP is an arch-conservative party and sry guys but in the arch-conservative block of the US Republicans there are also people who reject Darwin's theories even though they are scientifically correct.
You are all making a fuss about the AKP and bla bla bla they want to turn Turkey into Iran 2.0.
It's all about power, influence and money and votes and you don't win votes in the heartland by politicking for same-sex marriage among gays and minorities rights. Conservative voters and Republicans like myself, among others, don't easily vote for that.
It is not my view and I stand by it, and minority politics has never moved a country forward.

According to my latest findings, this is what the CHP stands for in its election program. They have supported these gay pride demonstrations, minority rights, and have reprimanded the current government for suppressing freedom of expression.
Why should I vote for such a party?

What about Erdogan going fully towards dictatorship ? Someone who constantly violates the constitution, violates the law, is detaining journalists and opposition figures, destroying the economy, siding with terrorists who wants to partition the country, selling companies and assets to Arabs (especially Qatar), hating everything Turkish, flooding the country with millions of migrants and refugees to fill his own pocket, and so on and so on…

What about all those things ?

 

[schuimpjes]

Turkiye is on its way to becoming a one-man dictatorship. It is not even a single-party dictatorship because in single-party dictatorships, there are various checks and balances inside the ruling party. Neither Stalin nor Assad had, nor Xi Jinping has ultimate power, but Erdogan is on his way to claiming it similar to Putin and Aliyev.

“Power tend to corrupt, absolute power corrupt absolutely”

That’s why checks and balances are needed, to keep those in power in check and not just do as they want. And it can be found in democracy and freedom, two things that are intertwined.

You’re all are free men. Not chairs or tables that can only bow down and do nothing.

I’m with those who fight for freedom and democracy. Turkish people, I’m with you

Someone who constantly violates the constitution, violates the law

Last time I checked, Turkiye is a rechtsstaat, a country based on law (rule of law) and not a “might makes right”, machtstaat (power state), country based on leaders whim.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Erdogan is not the ideal politician for Turkey and yes he is running a one man show, and yes he is an autocrat like Trump, Putin & Xi Jinping.
But for me he is MOMETANELY without alternative the other politicians are lame ducks, they have no foreign policy expertise, you would play ping pong and 7D chess with them in international politics and their own dynamics and complexities at the same time and Imamoglu would always be the loser or would bend. Erdogan is more resistant because he has created a network of foreign policy ties and dependencies over two decades. I simply don't trust Imamoglu to be able to protect Turkish interests in the long term.
Then Charisma and an understanding of democracy alone will not be enough to keep Turkey afloat internationally.

Imamoglu would have or would work in peacetime to build a foundation in Turkey.
But we are seeing a turning point in history, with power blocs shifting or dissolving. The USA no longer wants to share power and no longer wants to play world police, it has become a hard-nosed transaction-based government, China is on a confrontational course with the USA. Russia is playing its own game with Europe. The world has never been so insecure and destabilized as it is now as a whole power structure.

Even an Erdogan has to make compromises and loses some battles, but there is a plan behind it, even the rapprochement with the PKK to remove it from Israeli and European influence.
The future will show whether this move is successful or not. What is certain is that the USA is withdrawing from Europe and the Middle East. Either you fill this power vacuum or another country with own interests will do it against Turkey.

You see it all on an emotional level, but logically speaking, there is no alternative in my eyes actually.
The man will live for a maximum of 7-8 years, you can tell by looking at him that he is in poor health and yes he is selfish that he wants to leave with his legacy.
History will show whether it's for better or worse. But to go along with the motto "it doesn't matter, but the main thing is that he's gone" is simply negligent and dangerous.

 

[Ryder]

Erdogan has ruled the country pretty much its entire existence the Turkish republic is 100 years old. Which is pretty young by todays standards.

Even if he resigns or dies one day. The mans influence is still going to linger.

I wont be surprised if the man still is talked about 30 years on.

Its pretty hilarious seeing Enver Pasha, Jemal Pasha and Talaat Pasha pictures being flown. These men werent really democratic. They brought down Abdulhamid II for being a dictator then proceeded to being dictators themselves.

Our history is full of ironies.

Erdogan got arrested then thrown into jail. Now he repeats the same thing. Which is also ironic.

Does feel like the public are now erdogan fatigued. When a person is in power for too long. People want him gone. It happens in a lot of countries. Germans got sick of Merkel. Russians are getting sick of Putin. Belarussians are pretty much done with Lukashenko. Azerbaijanis are done with Aliyev.

Erdogan does not have the advantage of being a post USSR Dictator. Which means his rule can still come to end with elections or resigning.

 

[No Name]

Erdogan has ruled the country pretty much its entire existence the Turkish republic is 100 years old. Which is pretty young by todays standards.

Even if he resigns or dies one day. The mans influence is still going to linger.

I wont be surprised if the man still is talked about 30 years on.

Its pretty hilarious seeing Enver Pasha, Jemal Pasha and Talaat Pasha pictures being flown. These men werent really democratic. They brought down Abdulhamid II for being a dictator then proceeded to being dictators themselves.

Our history is full of ironies.

Erdogan got arrested then thrown into jail. Now he repeats the same thing. Which is also ironic.

Correction, they brought down Abdulhamid II and created a democracy then they realized that having a democracy in which everyone either wants the country to fall apart or be decentralized to the point of none-existence of a central government was a stupid idea, thus they become dictators.

 

[Ryder]

Correction, they brought down Abdulhamid II and created a democracy then they realized that having a democracy in which everyone either wants the country to fall apart or be decentralized to the point of none-existence of a central government was a stupid idea, thus they become dictators.

Shevket Pasha that took control after that he got shot.

Even if Abdulhamid II got taken out there was no stability. As everybody was fighting it out until Enver, Jemal and Talaat agreed to share power.

Due to this squabble allowed the Italians to invade Libya and set off the Balkan wars.

Whats interesting now the Kurds are all waving Pkk and Kurdistan flags in the Eastern provinces in Turkiye.

Police are no where to be seen. A lot of people now call this capitulation to the Kurds by Erdogan.

Erdogan basically gave in to the DEM party. But his acting tough against his own people.

 

[Rooxbar]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904444695750533223

 

[Nilgiri]

Correction, they brought down Abdulhamid II and created a democracy then they realized that having a democracy in which everyone either wants the country to fall apart or be decentralized to the point of none-existence of a central government was a stupid idea, thus they become dictators.

A republic was created by Ataturk later.

Democracy is a subset of it.... the rules invested in the republic's constitution that concern the role/scope of citizens to elect authority (in the trust the authority then best assigns unelected authority underneath it along with policy goals concurrent with basic security from forces outside the nation-state and internal law and order, i.e the execution of the constitution in both letter and spirit).

You cannot create a democracy without a republic (i.e the law that governs it).

Democracy for democracy sake (bounded by no law, and especially laws that are not up for vote regd individual rights) leads to tyranny of majority, lawlessness and then destruction of the nationstate itself.

Ataturk and CHP 1.0 played a significant role in embedding republican values long term into Turkish institutions and Turkish people at large to degree that was possible.

This is what largely is the prior and current baked in resistance and counterforce to anti-republican autocratic forces downstream.

I have confidence Turks value Ataturk and the core republic values mightily in the end to see through all current churn and subversions.

 

[Tabmachine]

Correction, they brought down Abdulhamid II and created a democracy then they realized that having a democracy in which everyone either wants the country to fall apart or be decentralized to the point of none-existence of a central government was a stupid idea, thus they become dictators.

Democracy is a complete farce. Thoroughly vulnerable to manipulation by foreign entities, and internal interest groups. Prone to demagoguery.

The Chinese say it best that every country needs to formulate political structures which fit their context. Turks for example, imo, should have a government centered on military dictatorship / tutelage. The best Turks will always materialize in a soldiers uniform, not in a politicians suit.

 

[contricusc]

This is an arch conservative party in my eyes, like the Christian Zionist bloc of Republicans in the US.

Comparing them to the Christian Zionist bloc of Republicans in US only confirms that they are brain dead. You are basically saying that they are the equivalent of the most retarded political faction in the West. This is not something to be proud of.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904219223745876260

Very nice points by poster in Turkish.

 

[schuimpjes]

military dictatorship / tutelage

Wasn’t that Turkish military like this before? – Especially Turkish military memorandum ‘97(?).

Parliamentary composition up to the people, but the executive/PM appointed by the legislative, don’t try

Instead of just trias politica (legislative, executive, judiciary) checking and balancing each other, it had military that also did the checks and balances if the government seen as unconstitutional.

Democracy for democracy sake (bounded by no law, and especially laws that are not up for vote regd individual rights) leads to tyranny of majority, lawlessness and then destruction of the nationstate itself.

Democracy without rule of law is ochlocracy

Law above anything, not leader above anything

 

[Ripley]

Varan Dört!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904576484939096462

Don’t tell me that a 22 year old young man was arrested as he was posing a threat to constitution, state, government, public safety just because he said “all is gonna be good”!

 

[CAN_TR]

OH MY GOD

Jihadists wanted to attack a girls dormitory and the police told them "don't do it this is what they want"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904308297785622920

@Ryder @TR_123456 @Lool @Oublious @Ripley @Mis_TR_Like @GoatsMilk @Asena_great @Barry @CAN_TR @Saithan

Always tough against women or in groups, always tough with their mouth but they can't back up anything.

In their wishes they're Mucahids in Gaza, in reality they just bother people sitting in Starbucks or emptying Coca Cola bottles, btw after paying for it.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904300175629201756

Here's the account of one the jihadists. As usual, police won't do shit.

Jinekologlu sisko dalyar... bak hele nasil pozlar veriyor, ünlü olmak icin yeni X hesabi acimis, mavi tika para verip üye olmus