Ataturk was not a conqueror he was a liberator. Istanbul was a turkish city under hostile occupation. He liberated it I thank him for that because the worlds most important city in history belongs to us.
This is just stupid semantics.
When you conquer a place back, doesnt it be a conquest? There is even a famous event in history: Spanish reconquista. So liberations are conquests.
The meaning of conquest: ''the subjugation and assumption of control of a place or people by military force.''
Turkish national army commanded by Ataturk passed through the straits in Chanak crisis and surrounded a British force. There were 30.000 British troops occupying Istanbul. This number wasnt enough so they asked for troops from their colonies: Canada, Australia, New Zealand.
For the first time in British history its colonies declined. A Canadian on internet told me once ''you Turks unknowingly contributed to our national consciousness and independence''. Anyway, so without the aid of its colonies Britain had to give up Istanbul. So we basically militarily threatened Britain to give up the city and they did.
So we technically assumpted control of the city by military force.
Was this conquest a liberation?
Technically the government in Ankara was a new political entity and in fact it was at war with Ottoman Empire. So it wasnt a liberation.
But even if it was a liberation, that wouldnt change the fact that it was a conquest. Like I said there is a famous historical phenomenon called Spanish reconquista.
The entire reason you try to avoid calling this a conquest is because you are aware that even according to your ill, twisted, backward ''spoil of war'' mentality, the place has to be a museum.
Your entire cause for demanding Hagia Sophia to be a mosque is because you are an islamo-fascist. One that lives in Australia btw.
Hagia sophia has been an issue for decades it just kicked up even more speed due to numerous factors.
It may have been an issue for islamist, cultist people. Turkeys issues are education, justice system, economy, terrorism. Oh, yea and islamist, cultist people.
There is now a Hagia Sophia issue though. We will fix it along with Turkeys real issues.
Isis logic lmaoooo you obviously dont know anything about Turkic history and Turkic laws regarding war and Islamic conduct of war. Ever heard of spoils of war???
Turkic history and Turkic law? So you want a Chanyu to rule the country and go to civil war every time he dies of old age? and his successor to take up all his fathers wives except his own mother? Is this how you want to be ruled in 2021(though I forgot, you would continue to live in Australia and be ideologically satisfied while we suffer the consequences)? Stop talking like a 12 year old seriously. Even a 12 year old would laugh to this though.
Turkic peoples just like all the other peoples were ruled in primitive tribal rules fit for their own society. Stop romanticising it. They did what their lifestyle and the era they lived required them to do.
Do I really have to tell you back then in medieval everyone was ISIS? ISIS is basically acting like a medieval islamic state. They dont kill Christians in sight btw, they just collect jizya tax from them. They conduct war against whom they consider heretics or infidels as the islamic law orders.
In fact ISIS even sometimes finds the Christian side the righteous in suitcases between Muslims and Christians. So yeah, you hate to see it but what you describe is basically ISIS.
I mean you must be a child for saying all these tbh. Being ruled with ancient tribal Turkic laws, spoils of war etc. If you are this radical what the hell are you doing in Australia?
Why dont you go apologise and bend the knees to Armenians and Greeks since Ataturk rightfully threw them out. If you care so much about their stupid feelings
How could you bring yourself into just typing this nonsense exactly? If someone invades your home you will kick his ass, what does this have to do with the topic?
The mongols?? I usually do not cry if us Muslim Turks suffer defeat or conquests I dont know about other Muslims like Arabs, Kurds or Persians. Because you know why because thats life you win and lose. I hate the Mongols but im not going to be butthurt after the shit they have done. Because thats how times were not to mention the Mongols were brutal and ruthless.
Well why do you hate them? Why do you call them brutal and ruthless? It was their spoils of wars after all according to your logic. They can kill everyone they want, destroy everything they want. It is their right to do since it was their spoils of wars.
Mongols or Isis are just some examples more extreme to make a point. Point being conquering or having control of somewhere doesnt make it right to do whatever your dick desires. Spoil of war was a medieval mindset.
Biggest facade I ever heard is common heritage. So many historical heritages around the world not one I feel a connection. Only connection is Turkic and Turko-Islamic for me. Go to an Italian and say to him that the Colosseum is our common heritage of humanity see how he laughs at your face.
I really feel sad for you for feeling this way. It must be really painful to have such a ethnonationalistly paranoid, narrow/shallow mindset. I mean it just gives me pain just to think about how hard it must be for someone to limit himself from the World in such a 19th century fashion ethno-nationalist circle. I am also nationalist but my nationalism is demanding the good of my people. Interesting thing is you could bring yourself into living in Australia. I guess your ideologic radicalism dont apply when it is about the wealth and well-being of yourself.
If the Italian is a dumbass idiot he will laugh but if he is a wise person he will agree. I just gave example of Hagia Sophia not just belonging to Greeks or Turks but it being entire humanitys common heritage and I realised a Greek in the forums: Vag, immediately liked my post. He didnt laugh at it, he didnt respond in a mocking ethno-fascist attitude. This is the righteous and mature mindset.
Every nation did what it had to do in the geography it lived in. If it was Italians who had to live in Asian steppes they would be similiar to Turks and Mongols.
If it was Turks who lived in Italy in classical age, we would be the ones good at architecture and constructing roads, aqueducts. If it was British who lived in deserts they would be similiar to Arabs and Berbers.
Honestly we have nothing to share with Greeks if you feel so common with them then go celebrate their 200 year independance then.
''Traitor™''
Erdogan converted the hagia sophia he may have done out of his own intentions while others look at it in a different perspective by putting party politics above. For many including me its long overdue. It should have stayed as a mosque thats my final say on the whole issue.
Well I am not typing this for you or Mulj. I have given up hope on you long time ago. I am typing these to effect sensible people reading these.
Also I must say, it is pretty hypocrite of you to enjoy the benefits and wealth of a modern western Christian Anglo-Saxon society but be this hateful of the west. Why dont you come back to Turkey and enjoy life here in your ''Turko-Islamic'' country instead of roaring nationalist and islamist sentiments from a western country? Because it is quite contradicting and hypocrite. I bet you vote for the most liberal, social democrat party in Australia but vote for either Akp or Mhp for Turkey.
We are the ones suffering from the radicalist dumbass desicions/politics you people applouse all the way from there.
When we object you dont refrain from shouting ''Traitor™'' from Australia.
I have to say this sorry but this hypocrisy makes me want to vomit.
Come live the life the radical dumbass decisions you approve make up in here, then continue pontificating. Because it satifsies your radical sentiments you thumb up the small dick desicions this dictator ejects from his guts and we suffer the consequences while you continue your life enjoying the benefits of a modern, tolerant, democratic, secular society. You even talk ill of them. If you dont like them this much why dont you come back to your homeland? Enjoy the life you dream of at last!
There is a huge crowd among the Turkish youth hating people like you.
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