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Is this a teaser?

Are you ready to power up with TRMOTOR, the developer of Turkey’s first indigenous and national auxiliary power units? ✈


Auxiliary Power Unit - APU60​

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Technical SpecificationValue
ApplicationsCivil and Military Aircraft
Weight95 kg
Electric PowerSea Level Static ISA: 40 kVA
Service Ceiling30,000 ft
Customer AirSea Level Static ISA: 0.93 kg/s at 370 kPa

Auxiliary Power Unit - APU40

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Technical SpecificationValue
Weight95 kg
Electrical PowerSea Level Static ISA: 40 kVA
Service Altitude30,000 ft
Customer AirSea Level Static ISA: 0.93 kg/s at 370 kPa
ApplicationsCivil and Military Aircraft
 

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They are just tooting their own horn, nothing more. They've done this before mate, you should remember.

Bro they already posted in the past about their APU's and i can't actually remember that they posted something similiar like a "teaser".
Also next month is IDEF 25, so maybe they will show a mockup of TF35000, which could mean they are right on track with its development.
 

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From TAI CEO:

"We [have] already started working on” the new TF35000 turbofan engine, Mehmet Demiroğlu, general manager at TAI, told Breaking Defense at Le Bourget, adding that work is being done jointly by Tusas Engine Industries (TEI) and TRMotor. As part of the system’s preliminary design phase, a “conceptual design is almost done,” he added, “and then it will go to initial prototyping maybe by the end of the year."

Additionally, Demiroğlu said that “some early testing” of the powerplant is planned in 2026 and integration on KAAN could be a reality starting in 2032.

This should recalibrate the expectations after Kotil's frequent, unrealistic 2028 FF timeline.

 

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From TAI CEO:

"We [have] already started working on” the new TF35000 turbofan engine, Mehmet Demiroğlu, general manager at TAI, told Breaking Defense at Le Bourget, adding that work is being done jointly by Tusas Engine Industries (TEI) and TRMotor. As part of the system’s preliminary design phase, a “conceptual design is almost done,” he added, “and then it will go to initial prototyping maybe by the end of the year."

Additionally, Demiroğlu said that “some early testing” of the powerplant is planned in 2026 and integration on KAAN could be a reality starting in 2032.

This should recalibrate the expectations after Kotil's frequent, unrealistic 2028 FF timeline.



This is in line with the Indonesian orders...
 

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From TAI CEO:

"We [have] already started working on” the new TF35000 turbofan engine, Mehmet Demiroğlu, general manager at TAI, told Breaking Defense at Le Bourget, adding that work is being done jointly by Tusas Engine Industries (TEI) and TRMotor. As part of the system’s preliminary design phase, a “conceptual design is almost done,” he added, “and then it will go to initial prototyping maybe by the end of the year."

Additionally, Demiroğlu said that “some early testing” of the powerplant is planned in 2026 and integration on KAAN could be a reality starting in 2032.

This should recalibrate the expectations after Kotil's frequent, unrealistic 2028 FF timeline.

What wasn't it always 2032?

2028/2029 was meant to be the first time it was tested alongside an General Electric F110 engine if i remenber currently.
 

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What wasn't it always 2032?

2028/2029 was meant to be the first time it was tested alongside an General Electric F110 engine if i remenber currently.
integration on KAAN means it will be tested alongside F110.

btw, he says integration, not first flight. the latter could be in the same year or later depending on its readiness.
 

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What wasn't it always 2032?

2028/2029 was meant to be the first time it was tested alongside an General Electric F110 engine if i remenber currently.
Yes, you remember it correctly, and that hasn't changed. In fact, the TAI CEO's mention of early tests in (by the end of) 2026 is confirmation of that. We announced here that early tests might start in 2026, when no other forum or news outlet reported. Increased interest in KAAN project also shows that possible customers are convinced about the roadmap, and the engine project is on track. According to the current roadmap/projection, flight tests will start in the first half of 2030 at the worst-case scenario. Mechanical fitting/integration will start in late 2028 at the earliest.

BTW mass production contract of TS-1400 might be signed this year or early 2026. There is a slim chance it might be signed at IDEF. The certification process is mostly completed.
 

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Not only that but Mete Yarar thinks that the development of indigenous Kaan engine will probably be finished by the year 2026 which I guess is quite likely.

I wonder if he meant the prototype back then. If yes, this means TEI/TRMOTOR will pull off this feat without any delays. (I am only talking about the prototype)
 

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Yes, you remember it correctly, and that hasn't changed. In fact, the TAI CEO's mention of early tests in (by the end of) 2026 is confirmation of that. We announced here that early tests might start in 2026, when no other forum or news outlet reported. Increased interest in KAAN project also shows that possible customers are convinced about the roadmap, and the engine project is on track. According to the current roadmap/projection, flight tests will start in the first half of 2030 at the worst-case scenario. Mechanical fitting/integration will start in late 2028 at the earliest.

BTW mass production contract of TS-1400 might be signed this year or early 2026. There is a slim chance it might be signed at IDEF. The certification process is mostly completed.
isin't gökbeys second package in 2028 by the way they increased the first package to 26 or something like that and were are they?
 

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I wonder if he meant the prototype back then. If yes, this means TEI/TRMOTOR will pull off this feat without any delays. (I am only talking about the prototype)
Likely so, which is in line with recent indications of the progress which we had discussed recently. People should take into account that you can rush development and go to deployment before the engine reached full maturity. An engine which is expected to run before 2027 can be made to operate satisfactorily for deployment in first half of 2029. Two and a half year time for improvements before going into production should be sufficient given the engine is already needed urgently as it is our only viable option to take us to an operational fighter. You don't wait until everything becomes perfect as it is not a plane to use for leisure activity, it is a plane that will be used to take risks by our heroes. Further development will continue while the engine is already in production and upgrades be made as progress is made. Any extra investment in this development will make the engine more mature before deployment. I would take 2029 deployment as a firm date and only consider how mature the engine will be a variable. We deploy no matter how mature it is, that is.
 

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Why don't we cooporate with R-R on engine projects which we are lacking right now?

"United Kingdom: Türkiye is a key partner for the UK through strong military integration and defense industry cooperation."

 

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Why don't we cooporate with R-R on engine projects which we are lacking right now?

"United Kingdom: Türkiye is a key partner for the UK through strong military integration and defense industry cooperation."


They do not provide technology transfer.
 

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They do not provide technology transfer.

Do we need technology transfer? Our propulsion related companies can already develop Turbojet/Turbofan/Turboshaft engine on their own. But those companies also have their hands full with projects and Türkiye doesn't have many aviation engine related engineers i guess.
So i am more talking about to offload the work to R-R.
 

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We want to export kaan to pakistan and others
Do we need technology transfer? Our propulsion related companies can already develop Turbojet/Turbofan/Turboshaft engine on their own. But those companies also have their hands full with projects and Türkiye doesn't have many aviation engine related engineers i guess.
So i am more talking about to offload the work to R-R.
 

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Why don't we cooporate with R-R on engine projects which we are lacking right now?

"United Kingdom: Türkiye is a key partner for the UK through strong military integration and defense industry cooperation."

They do not provide technology transfer.
They were ready to provide TOT and produce an engine together with Kale through the company they formed as a JV called TAEC , to propel KAAN. But they would not relinquish their IP rights to us. They were ready to allow for engines and any planes that were powered by them to be sold freely to third parties.

First we introduced a Qatari entity in to the equation which they rejected. (They didn’t mind sharing tech with us ; but not with the Qataris)
Then after Qatar pulled out of TRMotor partnership, our IP rights insistence was a deal breaker.

Still, RR, as far as I know, is among the consortiums partners that is designing the TF35000. There is extensive discussions on the matter in previous pages (re: @Cabatli_TR posts)
 

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We want to export kaan to pakistan and others

I am not talking about TF35000, we are already doing it.
I am talking about e.g. Hürjet, T925, T929...
For example we plan to start the TS3000 project, imo with RR it should finish much faster.
 
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They were ready to provide TOT and produce an engine together with Kale through the company they formed as a JV called TAEC , to propel KAAN. But they would not relinquish their IP rights to us. They were ready to allow for engines and any planes that were powered by them to be sold freely to third parties.

First we introduced a Qatari entity in to the equation which they rejected. (They didn’t mind sharing tech with us ; but not with the Qataris)
Then after Qatar pulled out of TRMotor partnership, our IP rights insistence was a deal breaker.

Still, RR, as far as I know, is among the consortiums partners that is designing the TF35000. There is extensive discussions on the matter in previous pages (re: @Cabatli_TR posts)


They could have accepted for the first blocks. Later, design a new engine. But hey, we love to push our boundaries :LOL:...
 
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