TR Propulsion Systems

[somegoodusername]

Outsiders often think that there are factors we’re not including in our estimates, but in reality, these factors are already accounted for when we are making predictions.

For example, some people argue that we won’t be able to produce the Kaan on schedule because of limited expertise, budget constraints, restricted access to foreign components, or technological challenges at the component level. They conclude that this will delay Kaan’s entry into service past 2028-29. However, these limitations have already been factored into the timeline. If we had no budget constraints, ample expertise, unrestricted access to foreign components, and readily available subsystem technology, Kaan could have entered service in the early 2020s, not the late 2020s.

So, while these factors have already delayed Kaan by 7-8 years, but foreigners are mistakenly suggesting adding another 7-8 years because they think we are "blindly nationalist/partisan Turks who refuses to see the bad hand Turkey is dealing with". And this results in double counting in foreigners predictions about Turkish projects.

@Costin1984

 

[Sanchez]

Outsiders often think that there are factors we’re not including in our estimates, but in reality, these factors are already accounted for when we are making predictions.

Regardless it's always better to keep the 10th man in your midst so they can say bullshit when needed.

 

[what]

Off topic posts have been deleted and ad hominem is not tolerated.

 

[somegoodusername]

Regardless it's always better to keep the 10th man in your midst so they can say bullshit when needed.

I am the 10th man in this "Kazanıyoruz"mania. However, that doesn’t stop me from appreciating the work that has been done and objectively assessing the capabilities of the Turkish defense industry.

 

[Saithan]

I must be the 11th then, our team is complete

 

[TR_123456]

Just don't answer to him mate, he thinks he is being clever by using Altay as an example non stop, i would explain why he is wrong but i will not entertain a troll.

I wish a moderator deletes all this nonsensical off-topic argument.

He is under propulsion systems and compares jet engine development to Altay tank failure which was due to engine embargo from Germany, that's all i gotta say, he does it on purpose.

You guys need to understand that every member has a right to his/her opinion,dont attack him for no reason.
We need to be mature about things and bs about him coming from reddit is not acceptable.
We know him for 10 years now,he never talked bs.
If that is his opinion you guys need to accept it and move on,no more bs.
What is this,a forum where only yay sayers are welcome???

 

[begturan]

The main limitation with Hurjet is it's engine, you can't sell it to anyone outside of US allies, and there is no program or even any slight talk or hint about a domestic engine for Hurjet(at least not yet) so even if it has the possibility of selling like hot cakes, Turkey won't be able to sell it as hot cakes for the reason i mentioned.

Which is really weird, Hurjet is already finished and will become a mature program much sooner than Kaan, i wonder why they don't consider a domestic engine for it?

maybe Ukranian engines are keeping as options thanks to Baykar ?or future program planning after TF35000 for Hurjet

 

[hugh]

Has Kale Arge set up a test infra to simulate the conditions at 10k meters altitude? A few years ago, they were saying that they're making the investments but I don't remember a confirmation of it becoming online.

 

[Sanchez]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854491774724559085

Okay, i don't know how credible this source is but i guess we finally will start seeing ramjet technology soon.

Video is from an American startup's hybrid engine.

CHIMERA | Hermeus

www.hermeus.com

 

[Zoth]

Video is from an American startup's hybrid engine.

CHIMERA | Hermeus

www.hermeus.com

Okay i was right for not trusting it, should i just delete it? I got hyped for no reason man.

 

[Spitfire9]

The main limitation with Hurjet is it's engine, you can't sell it to anyone outside of US allies, and there is no program or even any slight talk or hint about a domestic engine for Hurjet(at least not yet) so even if it has the possibility of selling like hot cakes, Turkey won't be able to sell it as hot cakes for the reason i mentioned.

Which is really weird, Hurjet is already finished and will become a mature program much sooner than Kaan, i wonder why they don't consider a domestic engine for it?

T-7A, IMO. I expect that will be the default supersonic trainer choice for nearly all countries, leaving a small number of sales for Hurjet worldwide.

 

[uçuyorum]

T-7A, IMO. I expect that will be the default supersonic trainer choice for nearly all countries, leaving a small number of sales for Hurjet worldwide.

Still far behind schedule isn't it?

 

[Spitfire9]

Still far behind schedule isn't it?

Yes, but production models should start being delivered in 2026 according to this report from February 2024 :

Boeing pushes back T-7 plans due to faulty parts

Boeing said the companies that produced the parts with quality problems acted quickly to fix them, and it is moving to finish building the final test jets.

www.defensenews.com

To develop an engine for Hurjet would, I guess, take 5+ years. By then T-7A will be in mass production. How many Hurjet (including light fighter version) could TAI expect to sell? How many engines could a Turkish developer expect to sell?

 

[Zoth]

T-7A, IMO. I expect that will be the default supersonic trainer choice for nearly all countries, leaving a small number of sales for Hurjet worldwide.

To be totally honest Hurjet doesn't need to be successful in exports, being able to export it is always a nice bonus but the current goal is to become as self sufficient as possible, and we won't be able to achieve that without mastering jet engine production.

 

[hugh]

To be totally honest Hurjet doesn't need to be successful in exports, being able to export it is always a nice bonus but the current goal is to become as self sufficient possible, and we won't be able to achieve that without mastering jet engine production.

There's no engine project for Hürjet. And I doubt there'll be one in the next or two decades. TF35000 is all that matters. If that is a success, then embargoing us with engines would make no sense.

 

[Zoth]

There's no engine project for Hürjet. And I doubt there'll be one in the next or two decades. TF35000 is all that matters. If that is a success, then embargoing us with engines would make no sense.

I know, the topic was about export potential, which is not possible withour your own domestic engine.

 

[hugh]

I know, the topic was about export potential, which is not possible withour your own domestic engine.

Why is it not possible? Many other aircrafts that use f404 is exported by countries other than the US.

 

[Sanchez]

which is not possible withour your own domestic engine

How come?

 

[Zoth]

How come?

ITAR? Out of everyone which US will allow us to sell it(allies) how many of them will prefer Hurjet over the American or Italian one when we can't offer it with a domestically produced engine?

This beautiful bird has more export potential outside of NATO, atleast that's what i think.

Basically, what i mean is that, out of everyone that USA will allow us to sell Hurjet with f404 engines, how many of them will opt out of buying Hurjet?

@hugh also reply for you too, writing on mobile right now, i don't know how to add another quote while editing.

 

[Shtr]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1855366704391762128

First time I heard the second prototype. How many prototypes was built for TS1400? If I recall correctly, It might be 6.

I hope we will have some good news soon about this.