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[DBdev]

Do you have a link to that statement video please. He never gave a thrust level number before, so this seems suspicious.

I watched a video yesterday wanted to post here but couldn't find it today neither on Youtube nor on X. Sorry.

That is from memory if I am not mistaken that was the number. Asked ChatGpt about the progress yesterday says it is normal and this is a very great achievement even at this stage.

 

[Zafer]

I watched a video yesterday wanted to post here but couldn't find it today neither on Youtube nor on X. Sorry.

That is from memory if I am not mistaken that was the number. Asked ChatGpt about the progress yesterday says it is normal and this is a very great achievement even at this stage.

The actual number should be way ahead of that number I gather from all the bits and pieces of information we have heard along the way so much so that it can be put to flight trials in a matter of a few months I would say. However if there is no pressure for them to do so they are already putting more effort into the TF10000 development as Kızılelma requires an afterburner engine than on the TF6000. This can all change if TAI would want to use the TF6000 rather than the existing Ukrainian engine they are using now because of evolving political matters.

 

[Shtr]

They announced they surpassed the thrust level of the engine that was on KE's first prototype. So the number @DBdev posted should be true.

I think he was referring numbers with after burner. How is it possible to start TF10000 without getting right numbers at TF6000? I think they reached %10 better numbers.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I think he was referring numbers with after burner. How is it possible to start TF10000 without getting right numbers at TF6000? I think they reached %10 better numbers.

I don’t remember Dr Aksit ever mentioning a 3700lbf being reached. I followed most of his interviews.
When they first got the TF6000 ready, he said that in the first firing tests they may not reach the 6000lbf target. But he said it should be 3500 or more. As the engine matures the thrust levels will increase. This was before first ignition though.
Then he said, as per @boredaf ’s post, it has surpassed the thrust levels of the engine KE prototype used.

He also mentioned that TF6000 and TF10000 are different engines.
Because TF6000 doesn’t have afterburners it would be built to a specific constructional standard.
TF10000 will have afterburner. You can’t put an afterburner on TF6000. Because with a sudden thrust increase the engine may collapse. Parts will have to be manufactured to a higher standard.
There is no need to manufacture TF6000 to that standard for cost reasons.

That is why Honeywell have F124 and F125. ( non AB and with AB comparable turbofans)
And, that is why we are calling ours with separate names.

 

[Oublious]

TF35000 going well only thing Aksit do not give is date, lets wait and see.

TEI Genel Müdürü Prof. Dr. Mahmut F. Akşit'ten heyecanlandıran KAAN açıklaması

📽 IDEF 2025'e katılan TEI Genel Müdürü Prof. Dr. Mahmut F. Akşit'ten heyecanlandıran KAAN açıklaması: "Son aşamada!"

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[Bogeyman]

TF35000 going well only thing Aksit do not give is date, lets wait and see.

TEI Genel Müdürü Prof. Dr. Mahmut F. Akşit'ten heyecanlandıran KAAN açıklaması

📽 IDEF 2025'e katılan TEI Genel Müdürü Prof. Dr. Mahmut F. Akşit'ten heyecanlandıran KAAN açıklaması: "Son aşamada!"

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Early tests of the TF35000, Türkiye's highest thrust domestic and national turbofan engine developed by TEI, are planned to be carried out in 2026 and its integration into KAAN is planned to begin in 2032.
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[hugh]

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Early tests of the TF35000, Türkiye's highest thrust domestic and national turbofan engine developed by TEI, are planned to be carried out in 2026 and its integration into KAAN is planned to begin in 2032.
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since they specifically utter "early tests" for 2026, I assume it won't be a fully built engine but some modular tests to validate their assumptions before committing to a prototype.

 

[Sanchez]

Integration to Kaan starting in 2032 means Kaan won't be delivered with TF35000 in 2032.

 

[Ripley]

Integration to Kaan starting in 2032 means Kaan won't be delivered with TF35000 in 2032.

And let’s not forget that if we take his words literally, then by integration they mean just installing the engine, introducing the engine to the plane. In such case, a production line plane will be even beyond 2032.

 

[Strong AI]

And let’s not forget that if we take his words literally, then by integration they mean just installing the engine, introducing the engine to the plane. In such case, a production line plane will be even beyond 2032.

But then how come that Indonesia will get all 48 KAANs in 10 years with TF35000?

 

[Sanchez]

But then how come that Indonesia will get all 48 KAANs in 10 years with TF35000?

We don't know when the contract starts.

 

[Strong AI]

We don't know when the contract starts.

Well, according to TAI CEO it started with the last signing during IDEF. I will post it if i find the short interview right after the ceremony.

 

[Strong AI]

@Sanchez

 

[Sanchez]

@Sanchez

I think it gets lost in translation and he's not talking about 120 months starting. If he is, that means they accepted paying very heavy fines in the long term to get a partner now; that'd be dumb.

I think he's talking about solidifying the MoU to a contract in as little time as "1.5 months". But I believe delivery schedule will start with Indonesia paying the first installment and then it will go on for 120 months. We don't know when did Indonesia paid or will pay the first installment.

 

[Strong AI]

I think it gets lost in translation and he's not talking about 120 months starting. If he is, that means they accepted paying very heavy fines in the long term to get a partner now; that'd be dumb.

I think he's talking about solidifying the MoU to a contract in as little time as "1.5 months". But I believe delivery schedule will start with Indonesia paying the first installment and then it will go on for 120 months. We don't know when did Indonesia paid or will pay the first installment.

To me he literally talks about the export agreement and that it officially started with that signing. But it doesn't make sense to argue about that now.
The good ol' let's wait and see applies here.

 

[zio]

I am a bit disappointed, I was expecting to see of cavitation torpedo on IDEF.

There is an alternative kara akya is loading……..

 

[Strong AI]

There is an alternative kara akya is loading……..

What?

 

[Ripley]

There is an alternative kara akya is loading……..

What?

Wrong thread, maybe

 

[Yasar_TR]

since they specifically utter "early tests" for 2026, I assume it won't be a fully built engine but some modular tests to validate their assumptions before committing to a prototype.

If you are talking about parts Q/C tests, that is an issue that they should be doing now. They have come to a stage where they are ready to build a prototype. In virtual world and in computer drawings they have an engine with each part to be produced already specified to the quality level they demand off of it.
Early test of an engine has to be a test on a complete engine.
Say they are aiming for the engine’s fan to rotate at 4000 to 5000rpm and LP spool to spin at 12000 to 15000rpm and HP spool to spin more than 20000rpm; they would first run it at very low rpm levels and check the performance and wear and tear on parts. Accordingly new parts replace sub par units. When the engine is responding within a given tolerance level then the so called first ignition is made. That is when the engine is pushed to its optimum available rpm. At least that is my understanding.
I can’t imagine any other way an early test can be done on an engine. The engine has to work as a whole to be tested. You can’t test individual parts of a turbofan if the engine is not working.

 

[hugh]

If you are talking about parts Q/C tests, that is an issue that they should be doing now. They have come to a stage where they are ready to build a prototype. In virtual world and in computer drawings they have an engine with each part to be produced already specified to the quality level they demand off of it.
Early test of an engine has to be a test on a complete engine.
Say they are aiming for the engine’s fan to rotate at 4000 to 5000rpm and LP spool to spin at 12000 to 15000rpm and HP spool to spin more than 20000rpm; they would first run it at very low rpm levels and check the performance and wear and tear on parts. Accordingly new parts replace sub par units. When the engine is responding within a given tolerance level then the so called first ignition is made. That is when the engine is pushed to its optimum available rpm. At least that is my understanding.
I can’t imagine any other way an early test can be done on an engine. The engine has to work as a whole to be tested. You can’t test individual parts of a turbofan if the engine is not working.

i am speaking of component level testing of different subassemblies. there could be specialized testing equipment and rigs to get data from these modules without building a complete engine.

but this is a topic i'm not really well versed. Maybe @Nilgiri can weigh in?