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[uçuyorum]

Who the fück is MSB AR-GE? no website no info but wankel engine, ramjet missiles, neb etc.

Internal projects of ministry of defense

 

[Sanchez]

(should be APU if I'm not wrong)

We are aware that APU is not actually required except for day to day operations, right? We've been starting aircraft with hand turning, cartridges and ground units for more than 6 decades.

 

[Saithan]

Internal projects of ministry of defense

Don't we already have companies involved in those projects ?

I think someone pointed out that all these mini R&D were excuses to get their fingers on money and yandas seems a favorite.

 

[Sanchez]

Don't we already have companies involved in those projects ?

I think someone pointed out that all these mini R&D were excuses to get their fingers on money and yandas seems a favorite.

We simply don't know. But they don't look like simple money grabs either as some are supported by test footage.

 

[Zafer]

We are aware that APU is not actually required except for day to day operations, right? We've been starting aircraft with hand turning, cartridges and ground units for more than 6 decades.

You want to restart if the engine flames out in flight.

 

[Sanchez]

You want to restart if the engine flames out in flight.

That's one of the reasons we have two. APU wasn't the reason for GTU being delayed.

 

[Zafer]

That's one of the reasons we have two. APU wasn't the reason for GTU being delayed.

You still risk the remaining engine flamig out, especially when you have not made the engine, so why risk an unlucky crash.

 

[Sanchez]

You still risk the remaining engine flamig out, especially when you have not made the engine, so why risk an unlucky crash.

Didn't we argue 2 weeks ago how safety is not that paramount re ejection seats if we can get more aircraft in the air cheaper?

 

[Zafer]

Didn't we argue 2 weeks ago how safety is not that paramount re ejection seats if we can get more aircraft in the air cheaper?

This is a critical first flight not just any flight. You don't want an unlucky event to mar the national fightermaking endeavor.

 

[DBdev]

Mahmut Akşit said in IDEF2025 that TF-6000 turbofan tests are progressing. Tests reached 3700 lbf so far and expanding envelope as planned. Considering TS-1400 reached 1800 lbf emergency thrust. I believe they will surpass 6000 lbf. I just wish these things didn't take soooooooo much time. We may end up in a war at any moment to stop David corridor, division of Syria(same plan they had even before they destroyed Ottomans using WW1) and a PKK state and here these people are taking their sweet time even for a drone engine like TF-6000 as if nothing is happening.

 

[Huelague]

I am a bit disappointed, I was expecting to see of cavitation torpedo on IDEF.

 

[boredaf]

I am a bit disappointed, I was expecting to see of cavitation torpedo on IDEF.

Then you set yourself up for disappointment in the first place.

 

[Zafer]

Mahmut Akşit said in IDEF2025 that TF-6000 turbofan tests are progressing. Tests reached 3700 lbf so far and expanding envelope as planned. Considering TS-1400 reached 1800 lbf emergency thrust. I believe they will surpass 6000 lbf. I just wish these things didn't take soooooooo much time. We may end up in a war at any moment to stop David corridor, division of Syria(same plan they had even before they destroyed Ottomans using WW1) and a PKK state and here these people are taking their sweet time even for a drone engine like TF-6000 as if nothing is happening.

Do you have a link to that statement video please. He never gave a thrust level number before, so this seems suspicious.

 

[Turkic]

Do you have a link to that statement video please. He never gave a thrust level number before, so this seems suspicious.

They announced they surpassed the thrust level of the engine that was on KE's first prototype. So the number @DBdev posted should be true.

 

[DBdev]

Do you have a link to that statement video please. He never gave a thrust level number before, so this seems suspicious.

I watched a video yesterday wanted to post here but couldn't find it today neither on Youtube nor on X. Sorry.

That is from memory if I am not mistaken that was the number. Asked ChatGpt about the progress yesterday says it is normal and this is a very great achievement even at this stage.

 

[Zafer]

I watched a video yesterday wanted to post here but couldn't find it today neither on Youtube nor on X. Sorry.

That is from memory if I am not mistaken that was the number. Asked ChatGpt about the progress yesterday says it is normal and this is a very great achievement even at this stage.

The actual number should be way ahead of that number I gather from all the bits and pieces of information we have heard along the way so much so that it can be put to flight trials in a matter of a few months I would say. However if there is no pressure for them to do so they are already putting more effort into the TF10000 development as Kızılelma requires an afterburner engine than on the TF6000. This can all change if TAI would want to use the TF6000 rather than the existing Ukrainian engine they are using now because of evolving political matters.

 

[Shtr]

They announced they surpassed the thrust level of the engine that was on KE's first prototype. So the number @DBdev posted should be true.

I think he was referring numbers with after burner. How is it possible to start TF10000 without getting right numbers at TF6000? I think they reached %10 better numbers.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I think he was referring numbers with after burner. How is it possible to start TF10000 without getting right numbers at TF6000? I think they reached %10 better numbers.

I don’t remember Dr Aksit ever mentioning a 3700lbf being reached. I followed most of his interviews.
When they first got the TF6000 ready, he said that in the first firing tests they may not reach the 6000lbf target. But he said it should be 3500 or more. As the engine matures the thrust levels will increase. This was before first ignition though.
Then he said, as per @boredaf ’s post, it has surpassed the thrust levels of the engine KE prototype used.

He also mentioned that TF6000 and TF10000 are different engines.
Because TF6000 doesn’t have afterburners it would be built to a specific constructional standard.
TF10000 will have afterburner. You can’t put an afterburner on TF6000. Because with a sudden thrust increase the engine may collapse. Parts will have to be manufactured to a higher standard.
There is no need to manufacture TF6000 to that standard for cost reasons.

That is why Honeywell have F124 and F125. ( non AB and with AB comparable turbofans)
And, that is why we are calling ours with separate names.

 

[Oublious]

TF35000 going well only thing Aksit do not give is date, lets wait and see.

TEI Genel Müdürü Prof. Dr. Mahmut F. Akşit'ten heyecanlandıran KAAN açıklaması

📽 IDEF 2025'e katılan TEI Genel Müdürü Prof. Dr. Mahmut F. Akşit'ten heyecanlandıran KAAN açıklaması: "Son aşamada!"

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[Bogeyman]

TF35000 going well only thing Aksit do not give is date, lets wait and see.

TEI Genel Müdürü Prof. Dr. Mahmut F. Akşit'ten heyecanlandıran KAAN açıklaması

📽 IDEF 2025'e katılan TEI Genel Müdürü Prof. Dr. Mahmut F. Akşit'ten heyecanlandıran KAAN açıklaması: "Son aşamada!"

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Early tests of the TF35000, Türkiye's highest thrust domestic and national turbofan engine developed by TEI, are planned to be carried out in 2026 and its integration into KAAN is planned to begin in 2032.
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