TR Propulsion Systems

[Zafer]

The actual number should be way ahead of that number I gather from all the bits and pieces of information we have heard along the way so much so that it can be put to flight trials in a matter of a few months I would say. However if there is no pressure for them to do so they are already putting more effort into the TF10000 development as Kızılelma requires an afterburner engine than on the TF6000. This can all change if TAI would want to use the TF6000 rather than the existing Ukrainian engine they are using now because of evolving political matters.

@Ripley
This piece of news seems to be from IDEF25

TEI Genel Müdürü Mahmut Faruk Akşit: (IDEF 2025) TF6000 motorumuz, an itibariyle KIZILELMA’nın ilk iki prototipine güç veren ithal motorun bir seviye güç üstüne çıktı. "As of now the power level of our TF6000 engine has surpassed the imported engine that powered the first two prototypes of the Kızılelma by a notch". Practically meaning the imported engine is 5500lbf and the TF6000 engine is 6000lbf as of now. So the targeted power level is achieved and they must be maturing the engine for other aspects.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1946126999275118728

 

[Samba]

@Ripley
This piece of news seems to be from IDEF25

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1946126999275118728

And what would be the power of that engine? 3800lbs?

 

[Zafer]

And what would be the power of that engine? 3800lbs?

We can guess it to be 6000 lbf as it is supposed to be more than 5500 lbf

 

[DBdev]

The first two prototypes of Bayraktar KIZILELMA, were powered by the Ivchenko-Progress AI-25TLT engine, 3800lbf.

 

[mTT]

Anyone who wants to know the latest status of the engines can watch the video.

TUNA - AZRA - BATU - TF6000

 

[Zafer]

The first two prototypes of Bayraktar KIZILELMA, were powered by the Ivchenko-Progress AI-25TLT engine, 3800lbf.

Seems to be so, in this case we have no clue what the actual number is at this stage. However off the top of my head I remember that the Kızılelma would initially use a 5500 lbf engine and TF6000 would be like 10% higher. I have no clue what happened to that 5500 lbf engine.

Edit: Seems like 5500 lbf is the dry thrust of the AI-222 afterburner engine.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Exactly one year ago, Kızılelma tested its AI32F afterburner engine with afterburner. But it hasn't flown yet. This engine produces 42KN, or 9244 lbf, of thrust with afterburner. Its dry thrust is 5500 lbf.

KIZILELMA'nin yeni prototipinde dikkat çeken detay | SavunmaSanayiST

BAYKAR, KIZILELMA İnsansız Savaş Uçağı için geliştirme ve test faaliyetlerini sürdürüyor. KIZILELMA'nın yeni prototipindeki motor detayı gözlerden kaçmadı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[TheInsider]

TEI continues testing TF-6000. The test crew gradually increases the working envelope of the engine. I expect it to produce at least %15 more dry thrust compared to a similar Ukrainian engine (Al-222/322) when tested at full rpm due to technological differences between the two. TF-6000 might see a similar maturation process compared to TS-1400. We won't know how it performs until TEI maxes out the engine and releases results.

 

[hugh]

TEI continues testing TF-6000. The test crew gradually increases the working envelope of the engine. I expect it to produce at least %15 more dry thrust compared to a similar Ukrainian engine (Al-222/322) when tested at full rpm due to technological differences between the two. TF-6000 might see a similar maturation process compared to TS-1400. We won't know how it performs until TEI maxes out the engine and releases results.

Extra info: According to Kubilay Yıldırım(in his last interview on Kaner's channel), TF6000 has been tested about 200 hours.

 

[Zafer]

While TS1400 has gone through 8 iterative builds, I think the TF6000 will go through a smaller number of iterations. This is about the learning process of engine making for the maker. With every completed engine the next engine should take less time to complete developing. This reality was stated by Mr Mahmut Akşit several years ago.

 

[Agha Sher]

Kızılelma, tam 1 yıl önce, art-yakıcılı AI32F motoru ile art-yakıcı çalıştırıp test etti. Ama henüz uçmadı. Bu motor art-yakıcı ile 42KN yani 9244lbf itkili bir motor. Kuru itkisi ise 5500lbf.

Exactly one year ago, Kızılelma tested its AI32F afterburner engine with afterburner. But it hasn't flown yet. This engine produces 42KN, or 9244 lbf, of thrust with afterburner. Its dry thrust is 5500 lbf.

KIZILELMA'nin yeni prototipinde dikkat çeken detay | SavunmaSanayiST

BAYKAR, KIZILELMA İnsansız Savaş Uçağı için geliştirme ve test faaliyetlerini sürdürüyor. KIZILELMA'nın yeni prototipindeki motor detayı gözlerden kaçmadı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Hmm, what did KE pt3 and pt4 fly with then? I thought at least pt4 flew and made maneuvers with the AI322F?

 

[Strong AI]

Hmm, what did KE pt3 and pt4 fly with then? I thought at least pt4 flew and made maneuvers with the AI322F?

That news is from 2024.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Hmm, what did KE pt3 and pt4 fly with then? I thought at least pt4 flew and made maneuvers with the AI322F?

That news is from 2024.

You guys are correct.
That news is from a year ago.
According to below newspiece PT3 has flown with the Afterburner capable engine in late 2024.

Corrected my above post accordingly.

Bayraktar Kızılelma, art yakıcılı motoruyla ilk defa uçtu

Geliştirilmesi için yaklaşık 1 milyar dolar kaynak ayrılan insansız savaş uçağı Bayraktar Kızılelma’nın PT-3 adlı üretim prototipi art yakıcılı motoruyla ilk uçuşunu gerçekleştirdi.

www.donanimhaber.com