TR Propulsion Systems

[2033]

I double checked my sources, and they insist that the first fighter with the national engine will be delivered in 2032-2033 (2032 at the earliest). At this point, we should wait and see how the project unfolds.

Yes, 2033. I chose 2033 as my nickname. swh

 

[Sanchez]

Why would they wait with conducting tests at the same time? One engine is known and has a proven track record, another is new unproven. Isn't it better to test the shit out of KAAN with the GE engine and find out what it's capable of than try to do it at the same time ? You'd have time to test the limitations of structure/design with the power GE engine can give the design.

Then you try to do the same with our own engine and hope it won't crash.

Because we need to test both, as we need both.

 

[Saithan]

Because we need to test both, as we need both.

I think you misunderstood what I meant. Why not build the GE prototype now and test the shit out of it. Instead of waiting and building them at the same time and test them out at the same time. At least that's what I understood they would do.

In addition, the company plans to develop a prototype equipped with a domestic engine by 2029. In this context, one of the company’s main goals is to conduct initial flight tests with a KAAN aircraft featuring an F110 engine on one side and a domestic engine on the other.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I think you misunderstood what I meant. Why not build the GE prototype now and test the shit out of it. Instead of waiting and building them at the same time and test them out at the same time. At least that's what I understood they would do.

That is what they are trying to do. But there must be something holding them back that they keep postponing the date for 2 flying prototypes being ready.
They should have been well flying by now if we are to go by Demiroglu’s first statement.

 

[Zafer]

The actual number should be way ahead of that number I gather from all the bits and pieces of information we have heard along the way so much so that it can be put to flight trials in a matter of a few months I would say. However if there is no pressure for them to do so they are already putting more effort into the TF10000 development as Kızılelma requires an afterburner engine than on the TF6000. This can all change if TAI would want to use the TF6000 rather than the existing Ukrainian engine they are using now because of evolving political matters.

@Ripley
This piece of news seems to be from IDEF25

TEI Genel Müdürü Mahmut Faruk Akşit: (IDEF 2025) TF6000 motorumuz, an itibariyle KIZILELMA’nın ilk iki prototipine güç veren ithal motorun bir seviye güç üstüne çıktı. "As of now the power level of our TF6000 engine has surpassed the imported engine that powered the first two prototypes of the Kızılelma by a notch". Practically meaning the imported engine is 5500lbf and the TF6000 engine is 6000lbf as of now. So the targeted power level is achieved and they must be maturing the engine for other aspects.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1946126999275118728

 

[Samba]

@Ripley
This piece of news seems to be from IDEF25

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1946126999275118728

And what would be the power of that engine? 3800lbs?

 

[Zafer]

And what would be the power of that engine? 3800lbs?

We can guess it to be 6000 lbf as it is supposed to be more than 5500 lbf

 

[DBdev]

The first two prototypes of Bayraktar KIZILELMA, were powered by the Ivchenko-Progress AI-25TLT engine, 3800lbf.

 

[mTT]

Anyone who wants to know the latest status of the engines can watch the video.

TUNA - AZRA - BATU - TF6000

 

[Zafer]

The first two prototypes of Bayraktar KIZILELMA, were powered by the Ivchenko-Progress AI-25TLT engine, 3800lbf.

Seems to be so, in this case we have no clue what the actual number is at this stage. However off the top of my head I remember that the Kızılelma would initially use a 5500 lbf engine and TF6000 would be like 10% higher. I have no clue what happened to that 5500 lbf engine.

Edit: Seems like 5500 lbf is the dry thrust of the AI-222 afterburner engine.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Exactly one year ago, Kızılelma tested its AI32F afterburner engine with afterburner. But it hasn't flown yet. This engine produces 42KN, or 9244 lbf, of thrust with afterburner. Its dry thrust is 5500 lbf.

KIZILELMA'nin yeni prototipinde dikkat çeken detay | SavunmaSanayiST

BAYKAR, KIZILELMA İnsansız Savaş Uçağı için geliştirme ve test faaliyetlerini sürdürüyor. KIZILELMA'nın yeni prototipindeki motor detayı gözlerden kaçmadı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[TheInsider]

TEI continues testing TF-6000. The test crew gradually increases the working envelope of the engine. I expect it to produce at least %15 more dry thrust compared to a similar Ukrainian engine (Al-222/322) when tested at full rpm due to technological differences between the two. TF-6000 might see a similar maturation process compared to TS-1400. We won't know how it performs until TEI maxes out the engine and releases results.

 

[hugh]

TEI continues testing TF-6000. The test crew gradually increases the working envelope of the engine. I expect it to produce at least %15 more dry thrust compared to a similar Ukrainian engine (Al-222/322) when tested at full rpm due to technological differences between the two. TF-6000 might see a similar maturation process compared to TS-1400. We won't know how it performs until TEI maxes out the engine and releases results.

Extra info: According to Kubilay Yıldırım(in his last interview on Kaner's channel), TF6000 has been tested about 200 hours.

 

[Zafer]

While TS1400 has gone through 8 iterative builds, I think the TF6000 will go through a smaller number of iterations. This is about the learning process of engine making for the maker. With every completed engine the next engine should take less time to complete developing. This reality was stated by Mr Mahmut Akşit several years ago.

 

[Agha Sher]

Kızılelma, tam 1 yıl önce, art-yakıcılı AI32F motoru ile art-yakıcı çalıştırıp test etti. Ama henüz uçmadı. Bu motor art-yakıcı ile 42KN yani 9244lbf itkili bir motor. Kuru itkisi ise 5500lbf.

Exactly one year ago, Kızılelma tested its AI32F afterburner engine with afterburner. But it hasn't flown yet. This engine produces 42KN, or 9244 lbf, of thrust with afterburner. Its dry thrust is 5500 lbf.

KIZILELMA'nin yeni prototipinde dikkat çeken detay | SavunmaSanayiST

BAYKAR, KIZILELMA İnsansız Savaş Uçağı için geliştirme ve test faaliyetlerini sürdürüyor. KIZILELMA'nın yeni prototipindeki motor detayı gözlerden kaçmadı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Hmm, what did KE pt3 and pt4 fly with then? I thought at least pt4 flew and made maneuvers with the AI322F?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Hmm, what did KE pt3 and pt4 fly with then? I thought at least pt4 flew and made maneuvers with the AI322F?

That news is from 2024.

You guys are correct.
That news is from a year ago.
According to below newspiece PT3 has flown with the Afterburner capable engine in late 2024.

Corrected my above post accordingly.

Bayraktar Kızılelma, art yakıcılı motoruyla ilk defa uçtu

Geliştirilmesi için yaklaşık 1 milyar dolar kaynak ayrılan insansız savaş uçağı Bayraktar Kızılelma’nın PT-3 adlı üretim prototipi art yakıcılı motoruyla ilk uçuşunu gerçekleştirdi.

www.donanimhaber.com

 

[mTT]

TF-6000

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1968297287354097885

 

[Lool]

TEI General Manager Mahmut Faruk AKŞİT:
Let me also share the good news. We built and operated a prototype afterburner in Turkey.
While transitioning from TF6000 to TF10000, we operated an afterburner for the first time.
The market launch of TF10000 will, God willing, happen within a few years. TF10000 was developed primarily for aircraft capable of high-speed and quiet flights with afterburners, such as KIZILELMA.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1968371991360295333

 

[Oublious]

At TEKNOFEST 2025, TEI showcased Turkey’s locally manufactured first jet engine TF6000, which was tested at Istanbul Atatürk Airport. The head of the Defense Industry, Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün, participated in the test. The work on the engine was first presented by Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün, followed by TEI General Manager Prof. Dr. Mahmut Akşit. 00:00 Introduction

00:05 Tolga Özbek introduction announcement
01:00 Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün explained
02:59 TF6000 will be tested in Erzurum.
03:35 What will TF10000 work on
06:54 TF6000 ground test
06:57 TEI tested the afterburner on a smaller engine.
07:19 TF35000 studies
08:15 TS1400 GÖKBEY engine
08:48 Is there any news about the engine for T925?
09:32 Engine assembly for HÜRJET and MMU, status of F404 and F110 11:48 PD170 has strengthened, PD200 has gone on its test flight Support our channel: / @tolgaozbekcom

 

[Oublious]

Good news about TS1400 almost to the series production line.