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as u can c @Nilgiri , Soryu's are presentJMSDF IPD 21 units Malabar EX 2021
Interesting,how will it impact alpha-s swarm uav program @Nilgiri ?
I think there will be cooperation with CATS as well?
Since deadlines are quite aggressive for it....there can be cooperation w.r.t XQ-58 etc...to get more stuff out the door quicker rather than developing everything from scratch....given DRDO,HAL etc are already stretched with number of projects they are handling.
ALFA-S probably will have algorithm cooperation with US given US and Israel are big in UAV ecosystem in India already and it makes sense given Quad and CISMOA etc.
The high prices (per UAV) that India signed for may in part cover some of this larger cooperation and ToT.
What does @Gessler think?
InfoI don't have many hopes for this program beyond 'for scientists, by scientists' type lab models/tech demos.
DTTI is talked about so much but in all these years it didn't deliver anything at all. To add to that, the Indian agency in question here is ADE - which doesn't have the best track record of developing & operationalizing any drones, or even design for that matter.
I have much greater faith in the NewSpace-HAL CATS program and Ghatak/IUSAV designed by ADA.
Ghatak is ADE project tooI don't have many hopes for this program beyond 'for scientists, by scientists' type lab models/tech demos.
DTTI is talked about so much but in all these years it didn't deliver anything at all. To add to that, the Indian agency in question here is ADE - which doesn't have the best track record of developing & operationalizing any drones, or even design for that matter.
I have much greater faith in the NewSpace-HAL CATS program and Ghatak/IUSAV designed by ADA.
Most likely this uav would be based on DARPA longshotI think there will be cooperation with CATS as well?
Since deadlines are quite aggressive for it....there can be cooperation w.r.t XQ-58 etc...to get more stuff out the door quicker rather than developing everything from scratch....given DRDO,HAL etc are already stretched with number of projects they are handling.
ALFA-S probably will have algorithm cooperation with US given US and Israel are big in UAV ecosystem in India already and it makes sense given Quad and CISMOA etc.
The high prices (per UAV) that India signed for may in part cover some of this larger cooperation and ToT.
What does @Gessler think?
which doesn't have the best track record of developing & operationalizing any drones, or even design for that matter
Design is done by ADA and development is done by ADE,so obviously no designs come from ADE.I was wondering that too. Is there any design exist?
Design is done by ADA and development is done by ADE,so obviously no designs come from ADE.
Rustom 1Didn't they design the Rustom/TAPAS?
Rustom 1
Rustom h
Rustom 2
Lakshya
Nishant
Nirbhay cruise missile
Problem is not with their talent , issue is with funding , they didn't had proper testing facility etc and prototype construction were delayed ,or the technology required was not developed by other lab in time etc.
Nirbhay failed multiple times due to problems in its engine or sometimes avionics
Ghatak is ADE project too
Nirbhay require high automation and manuverability .Missiles & aircraft are fundamentally different. The airframes, engines, electronics of missiles are meant to be single-use.
Drones/aircraft are entirely different and I've no idea why ADE was ever even established. Design capabilities existed with ADA aplenty and HAL was capable of manufacturing anything that flies.
DRDL & BDL were perfectly capable of designing & building missiles of all sizes & shapes.
What niche was ADE trying to fill? I don't see why the company developing Nirbhay & drones has to be the same one. Unless someone made the mistake of thinking UAVs were more akin to missiles than to aircraft.
Nirbhay require high automation and manuverability .
They can make it a ai integrated missile with capability to evade sam missile
Ade is given the work of ghatak .The mission & profile of Nirbhay is similar to that of BGM-109 Tomahawk - a missile system that preceded the technology of MQ-1 by some 20-25 years.
Single-use airframe that follows pre-determined flight path & uses terrain contours & Digital Elevation Models to course-correct. Fundamentally different from a UAV which is basically a Piloted aircraft except that the pilot is sitting on the ground in a GCS, and which is expected to be used thousands of times & overhauled from time to time just like any aircraft.
I don't see the wisdom in choosing ADE as opposed to ADA (which already had established capabilities) to design these drones.
I don't claim to know what exactly was going on, but to me seems like a DPSU gravy train. "Give us some work" sort of deal designed to keep certain Labs happy. The most logical explanation I can think of is this:
In our use-case, given the adversaries we face (who have well-established Air Defence capabilities), drones like Rustom-series aren't likely to have much tactical utility beyond observation (which is already managed by imported models). Therefore it's likely the higher-ups may have thought of these programs as relatively low-importance in the bigger picture, so suitable for handing off to smaller/newer Labs to get them something to do.
Whereas the drones which ARE likely to have significant tactical utility, like the IUSAV/Ghatak with VLO airframe, are having their design handled by experienced/established agencies like ADA as this is a far more relevant & important capability to develop.
Ade is given the work of ghatak .