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What are the issues likely to be discussed in the first in-person meeting between Modi and Biden
  • The Afghan crisis and its implications
  • China's growing assertiveness
  • Ways to stem radicalism and cross-border terrorism
  • Expansion of the India-US global partnership
  • How to bolster bilateral trade and investment ties
  • Strengthen defence and security collaboration
  • Boost the Strategic Clean Energy Partnership
  • Explore new avenues and emerging technologies, including R&D, innovation and industry linkages

(More at link)

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I am just wondering.. Is it deliberate thst Joe is missing in action & kamala I dealing more...

Moreover, we are missing the usual oomph associated with Modi visits... Something is a miss IMO..

Between seems like we had a issue in forum Software... 😊😊
 

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India and the US on Saturday called for the perpetrators of the 26/11 Mumbai attacks to be brought to justice​


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perpetrators of the 26/11 Mumbai attacks to be brought to justice.



In a joint statement issued after the bilateral meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and US President Joe Biden at the White House, it said India and US stand together in a shared fight against global terrorism.

The two leaders "denounced any use of terrorist proxies and emphasised the importance of denying any logistical, financial or military support to terrorist groups".

They "condemned cross-border terrorism, and called for the perpetrators of the 26/11 Mumbai attacks to be brought to justice. They denounced any use of terrorist proxies and emphasised the importance of denying any logistical, financial or military support to terrorist groups which could be used to launch or plan terror attacks," the joint statement said.

Pakistan-based radical cleric Hafiz Saeed's Jamat-ud-Dawa (JuD) is the front organisation for the Lashkar-e-Taiba which is responsible for carrying out the 2008 Mumbai attack that killed 166 people, including six Americans.

Saeed, a UN designated terrorist whom the US has placed a $10 million bounty on, was arrested on July 17 last year in the terror financing cases. The 70-year-old JuD chief is lodged at Lahore's high-security Kot Lakhpat jail.
 

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Optics IMO. Just Lip service. kamala Auntie giving lectures on democracy & human rights was laughable IMO !!!!!!

Clearly Modi was not comfortable on this whole trip...Perhaps, that howdy trump did not go well with democrats .
 

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Optics IMO. Just Lip service. kamala Auntie giving lectures on democracy & human rights was laughable IMO !!!!!!

Clearly Modi was not comfortable on this whole trip...Perhaps, that howdy trump did not go well with democrats .

Modi is not liked anywhere where there is a liberal government in power. He fancies himself as a statesman but is not seen as one. Forget Nehru, he is not even a Vajpayee.
 

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Modi is not liked anywhere where there is a liberal government in power. He fancies himself as a statesman but is not seen as one. Forget Nehru, he is not even a Vajpayee.

Still even with senile Joe and cackling Kamala running things, US establishment should realise the bigger picture past Indian govt and look at India as larger picture.

Modi will eventually go, even BJP will at some point (from federal admin)....i.e leadership admins come and go (wax and wane in cycles)....but the larger people-people dynamic (and their concerns and hopes) has to be put front and centre past the leader's issues with each other.

The US now that it has abandoned AF-PAK region in the way it has, no longer has logistics excuse for financially supporting a terrorist state sponsor. It should move to address India's concerns here more practically than the same word statements. Pressure put on Malaysia to change its vote in FATF is just one example.
 

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Optics IMO. Just Lip service. kamala Auntie giving lectures on democracy & human rights was laughable IMO !!!!!!

Clearly Modi was not comfortable on this whole trip...Perhaps, that howdy trump did not go well with democrats .

Still even with senile Joe and cackling Kamala running things, US establishment should realise the bigger picture past Indian govt and look at India as larger picture.

Modi will eventually go, even BJP will at some point (from federal admin)....i.e leadership admins come and go (wax and wane in cycles)....but the larger people-people dynamic (and their concerns and hopes) has to be put front and centre past the leader's issues with each other.

The US now that it has abandoned AF-PAK region in the way it has, no longer has logistics excuse for financially supporting a terrorist state sponsor. It should move to address India's concerns here more practically than the same word statements. Pressure put on Malaysia to change its vote in FATF is just one example.

As if Pakistan needed any more hints that business as usual as in the past cannot continue.
 

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logistics excuse for financially supporting
Please referance what financial aid has US provided to Pakistan since 2018?

supporting a terrorist state sponsor.
In every region, you will have countries hurling this charge at each other.

vote in FATF is just one example.
Only matter of time before Pakistan comes out of FATF. The fact is looking forward American influence in the region is waning. They are out of Af-Pak. Verbotten in Iran. Castrated by Putin in Central Asia. The dragon's shadow is looming in Eurasia as it pivots around SCO.

That leave US to leverage India in order to try and compete with China. Good luck with that one hahaha !
 

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Please referance what financial aid has US provided to Pakistan since 2018?


In every region, you will have countries hurling this charge at each other.


Only matter of time before Pakistan comes out of FATF. The fact is looking forward American influence in the region is waning. They are out of Af-Pak. Verbotten in Iran. Castrated by Putin in Central Asia. The dragon's shadow is looming in Eurasia as it pivots around SCO.

That leave US to leverage India in order to try and compete with China. Good luck with that one hahaha !

Yup and you have typed this all to me sitting in UK and in Queen's English.

Pakistan by fits and starts will have to put in quite the work to truly join the chicom camp.

DHA should take Chinese lessons for starters.
 

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Yup and you have typed this all to me sitting in UK and in Queen's English.
How is my residency related to what I said?
DHA should take Chinese lessons for starters.
Good idea. China will become the largest economy in history soon. Ability to speak Chinese will lubricate access to vast opportunties. My son has actually set up property investment company specifically geared to Chinese students in UK and is learning some Chinese to give him that extra cache with this emerging market. Many of these students are wealthy and ripe for quality apartments.
 

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How is my residency related to what I said?

Just pointing out the raw inertia invested in the anglosphere by your nation's diaspora (and elite).

I have lived among the more globalised form of Chinese (i.e the best case scenario regarding them).

Both Hong Kong (where I picked up Cantonese) and later Singapore in my formative years.

They are not like the anglo saxons even there (as to their willingness to host immigrant diaspora beyond what they inherited already..... and invest in their source countries genuinely on people-people level and soft-power level both ways).

I call it the subconcious+concious levels of xenophobia.

The psyches regarding these need 100+ year timeframes.

The British and Americans simply never saw a Nanking happen on their capitals as just one example....that too from say fellow european kin to anglosaxons.

It gets lot worse on this front if you go to the mainland and explore its nooks and crannies....as I have done 3 times so far (and wont venture again most likely). Held my knowledge of Cantonese close to chest and simply listen and observe more (I understand Mandarin spoken to some degree too).

Anyway there is something Pakistan will find here for itself in this decade and the next one....as to what this means in the end. Who actually means what they say and say what they mean on deeper level....and how that plays out.

It is not a copy paste thing at all.
 

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How is my residency related to what I said?

Good idea. China will become the largest economy in history soon. Ability to speak Chinese will lubricate access to vast opportunties. My son has actually set up property investment company specifically geared to Chinese students in UK and is learning some Chinese to give him that extra cache with this emerging market. Many of these students are wealthy and ripe for quality apartments.

China might well overtake the US as the world's largest economy. Will that translate to soft power?

It took a pivotal moment in history - WW-2 for the Brits to pass on the torch of "Global superpower" to the US and USSR. Unless such a moment arrives, no one is going to dislodge US from its perch. They even survived 5 years of Trumpian harakiri
 

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India and Australia on Thursday participated in the fourth iteration of the biennial maritime series 'AUSINDEX'.

Chief of Navy Australia Michael Noonan, in a tweet, called the maritime exercise a vital opportunity to showcase Australia's ability to conduct high-end maritime warfare training with India and showcase a range of 'AusNavy' maritime capabilities.

The fourth iteration of the biennial maritime series #AUSINDEX took place with @indiannavy.

More at link: https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...time-series-ausindex/articleshow/86638875.cms

Admiral Noonan's tweet:

 

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Working with the RAN will form an important part of maintaining security & surveillance of the air, surface (and sub-surface) in and around IOR and the wider Indo-Pacific for decades to come.

The Chinese threat will take decades to address, as long or even longer than the Soviets.

Building this working relationship is quite important. Similarly with JMSDF & USN.
 

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Indian Su-30 Flankers To Dogfight Japanese Fighters Later This Year​

The drill will give Japan's fighter pilots the experience of going head-to-head with the Su-30, variants of which are flown by China and Russia, too.

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The Indian Air Force is sending its Su-30MKI Flanker fighters to Japan for joint exercises with the Japan Air Self-Defense Force (JASDF), according to Japan’s Sankei Shimbun newspaper. The fighter exercises were originally scheduled for 2020 and then summer 2021, only to be postponed both times by the coronavirus pandemic. “But the [Japan] Air Self-Defense Force and the Indian Air Force have agreed that they would like to realize it by the end of the year in view of the threat of China,” Sankei Shimbun said.

While Indian Su-30s have participated in joint exercises with U.S. F-15s and British Typhoons, among other units and types, this would mark a rare opportunity for Japanese fighter pilots — who fly F-15s, F-2s, and newly acquired F-35s — to practice dissimilar air-combat training against the Russian-designed Su-30. Japan faces not only Chinese Su-30s, but also Su-30s flown by Russia, with whom Japan has territorial disputes, as well as many other Flanker derivatives in both potential adversaries’ air arms.

“The value for Japan of being able to train with Indian Su-30s could be significant,” Corey Wallace, who teaches East Asian security at Japan’s Kanagawa University, told The War Zone. “The JASDF can look forward to enhancing its pilots’ understanding of the Su-30’s maneuverability, cruising range, fuel consumption, and turnaround times for maintenance, which could be vital for planning during a protracted conflict.” In addition, India’s Su-30s are equipped with three-dimensional thrust vectoring capability, which makes them especially unique to train against in traditional within-visual-range air combat scenarios.

Perhaps more important, the exercises are a worrisome signal to Beijing that its rivals India and Japan are tightening their defense ties. Chinese and Indian troops fought deadly border clashes in the Himalayas in 2020, while China and Japan are at odds over Chinese claims to the Japanese-held Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea.

“India well understands that its greatest leverage against China is the prospect of joining in combinations with like-minded partners like Japan,” Arzan Tarapore, a South Asian studies scholar at Stanford University, told The War Zone. “This threat of coalition-building, rather than anything that India does alone, is what scares Beijing the most.”

Planning for the exercise dates back to December 2018, when the JASDF dispatched a C-2 transport to Agra Air Force Base in India for joint training with IAF C-17s, followed in 2019 by a JASDF C-130.

“This paved the way for regular joint training, and the ASDF and the Indian Air Force decided to raise the level of training content and conduct joint training for fighters,” Sankei Shimbun reports. Indian Su-30s were first supposed to train with Japanese F-15s at Komatsu Airbase in June 2020 — only to see the event postponed by the first wave of coronavirus. Training was then shifted to F-2 fighters at Hyakuri Airbase in July 2021, but this was put on hold because of the Delta variant of Covid-19.

Interestingly, the Su-30 — an advanced descendant of the ubiquitous Su-27 Flanker family of heavy fighters — could fight on both sides in a China-India conflict. The Flanker family is the backbone of the People’s Liberation Army Air Force and Navy heavy fighter fleets, including 97 Su-30MKK and Su-30MK2 aircraft, as well as more than 500 J-11, J-15, and J-16 aircraft, which are Chinese-licensed copies or indigenous designs based directly on the Flanker.

India has 272 Su-30MKI fighters, most of which were assembled under license in India by Indian aviation manufacturer HAL. The Indian aircraft feature Israeli and French avionics and electronic warfare systems, while China’s Su-30MKK and MK2 borrow limited features from the even more advanced Su-35, another Flanker derivative flying in limited numbers with China’s and Russia’s Air Forces.

The symbolic value of the Indo-Japanese aerial exercises may actually be more potent than the military benefits. India and Japan, along with the United States and Australia, comprise the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue (the Quad), an informal security alliance that’s essentially aimed at containing China. With India on China’s southwest border, Japan on China’s northeast frontier, and the United States, Australia, and Taiwan to the east and south, Beijing may be feeling surrounded. Tighter defense cooperation between India and Japan will only reinforce that feeling.

“This is very clear diplomatic signaling from two Quad partners whose relationship has promised much but has underdelivered up until now,” noted Wallace.

Indian Su-30s in Japan could be the start of something bigger: Indian and Japanese forces sharing each other’s military bases. Wallace points to the aerial exercises as well as the Acquisition and Cross Servicing Agreement (ACSA) signed by India and Japan in September 2020, which allows the armed forces of both nations to share services and supplies.

“The broader strategic significance of this agreement is that it allows the Indian military to access Japanese bases in Japan, but also Japan’s Djibouti base near key Middle East sea lanes,” Wallace said. “In return, it provides the Japanese greater access to major Indian bases in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands in the Bay of Bengal, which sit astride western approaches to the Malacca Strait.”

Historically, Japan has been reluctant to project military power abroad since 1945. That’s partly because of Article 9 of Japan’s U.S.-written postwar constitution, which renounces war and offensive capabilities, though these inhibitions may be fading as Japan confronts growing Chinese power. While operating from Indian bases might be politically sensitive, it would allow Japan to protect vital maritime trade routes — and also to discomfit China.

Still, operationalizing such a strategy may not happen on a consistent basis in the near term, it could occur during a crisis or eventually in support of Japan’s new push to project naval power abroad. Tarapore also doubts India would agree to such joint-basing on a permanent basis. “That’s because of the priority that India places on what it calls ‘strategic autonomy,’ or not entering into any binding security commitments,” Tarapore said. “And you can’t get much more committed than deployed forces to another country's territory, or having them deployed to yours.”

Regardless, multinational exercises are an invaluable tool for training. U.S. pilots, for example, have benefited greatly from practicing against Indian Su-30s during past Cope India exercises, not just because of exposure to foreign equipment, but also a chance to observe wily foreign tactics. And in Japan’s case, if similar exercises happen to send a signal to potential adversaries such as China, so much the better.
 

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I think both the MKI and F-15J/DJ needs significant update to go toe to toe with the latest Chinese flankers.

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guess in 2019 they already undervent significant update at least 98 of them
AN/APG 82(V91 AESA radar which is the latest radar advancement for the U.S. Air Force F-15E as well
AN/ALQ-239 DEWS

JNAAM i.e Japanese AAM-4B AESA seeker with the body of the Meteor missile and the Initial Operational Capability was planed for 2021 though I dont know the latest statues.
 

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guess in 2019 they already undervent significant update at least 98 of them
AN/APG 82(V91 AESA radar which is the latest radar advancement for the U.S. Air Force F-15E as well
AN/ALQ-239 DEWS

JNAAM i.e Japanese AAM-4B AESA seeker with the body of the Meteor missile and the Initial Operational Capability was planed for 2021 though I dont know the latest statues.
Yeah I'm aware of this, what about the MKI ?

Any plan to install AESA radar ?
 

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