Defence Fair SAHA EXPO 2026

[Turkic]

Not quite right explanation I am afraid.
As per @Zafer has stated, the bigger the mass at terminal stage the faster the missile hits it’s target

If you check the terminal velocity formula:

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The cross section of the missile is important too. More perpendicular the missile approaches the better as it would decrease it’s silhouette.
As a generalisation for a ballistic missile, 60-70%of its mass is fuel. When the missile is in it’s ballistic downward motion it will have depleted it’s fuel

if you fire a 6000km range missile to a target that is 3000km away. You fire it at a more steep angle. It still depletes it’s fuel.

So a ballistic missile always depletes its fuel, independent of the distance to the target. And still it will have higher terminal velocity because of the approach pattern. Do I get it right?

 

[Yasar_TR]

So a ballistic missile always depletes its fuel, independent of the distance to the target. And still it will have higher terminal velocity because of the approach pattern. Do I get it right?

Yes. They almost always deplete their fuel. They have high speed depending on their weight and their cross section area.
All the fuel is usually burnt during boost phase. Then missiles coast. Then start their terminal downward motion.

Here is a bit of background info:

• Solid-Fueled Missiles: Most modern intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) use solid fuel, which cannot be throttled or turned off once ignited. These motors burn until the fuel is completely exhausted.
• Liquid-Fueled Missiles: Older or some specific liquid-fueled missiles can shut down their engines before all fuel is gone. However, to achieve maximum range, they typically exhaust their fuel, or the stages containing the fuel are jettisoned once depleted.
• Boost Phase Duration: The fuel is usually burned up within the first 3 to 5 minutes of flight.
• Post-Burnout: After the rocket motor cuts off (burnout), the missile does not "drop dead" but instead continues to coast on its trajectory at thousands of miles per hour

A 100 ton ICBM will have 30-35 tons of mass in terminal stage. It will hit target at 8 to 10 Mach speed .
Bora missile may have 1ton of mass. So it will be just above 1 Mach.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Use logic,drop a something with a mass from 10m 20m 30m etc and see the difference.
The higher the faster.

No. Not correct. Because the example distance is too short. If a person sky dives from 30000m or 5000m , he will hit the ground always at the same speed. Depending on whether he is head down or flat position, that terminal speed is anything between 180km/hour to 250km/hour. If he hold his position same eac time, he will always hit the ground at the same speed. Even if he jumps down from space.

 

[Turkic]

Yes. They almost always deplete their fuel. They have high speed depending on their weight and their cross section area.
All the fuel is usually burnt during boost phase. Then missiles coast. Then start their terminal downward motion.

Here is a bit of background info:

• Solid-Fueled Missiles: Most modern intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) use solid fuel, which cannot be throttled or turned off once ignited. These motors burn until the fuel is completely exhausted.
• Liquid-Fueled Missiles: Older or some specific liquid-fueled missiles can shut down their engines before all fuel is gone. However, to achieve maximum range, they typically exhaust their fuel, or the stages containing the fuel are jettisoned once depleted.
• Boost Phase Duration: The fuel is usually burned up within the first 3 to 5 minutes of flight.
• Post-Burnout: After the rocket motor cuts off (burnout), the missile does not "drop dead" but instead continues to coast on its trajectory at thousands of miles per hour

A 100 ton ICBM will have 30-35 tons of mass in terminal stage. It will hit target at 8 to 10 Mach speed .
Bora missile may will have 1ton of mass. So it will be just above 1 Mach.

Thanks for the information. With the reframing of my -now better- ballistic knowledge, my point stays the same. Such a weapon system could be useful to surpass advanced ABM systems. It's good to have, if we really have it, of course.

 

[Soldier30]

At the SAHA EXPO 2026 international exhibition, Turkey unveiled its first intercontinental ballistic missile, the Yildirimhan. According to published specifications, the missile has a range of up to 6,000 km and a speed of Mach 9 to 25. The missile is equipped with four engines and uses nitrogen tetroxide as fuel. According to Turkey, the Yildirimhan missile can carry a warhead weighing up to three tons. Ankara believes the development of such a missile could alter the global balance of power. National Defense Minister Yaşar Güler stated that the missile was developed solely for deterrence purposes, but that it could be used effectively if necessary. Testing of the missile is expected to begin soon.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Thanks for the information. With the reframing of my -now better- ballistic knowledge, my point stays the same. Such a weapon system could be useful to surpass advanced ABM systems. It's good to have, if we really have it, of course.

Yes. Only possible way to stop them is during boost and coasting phase. Otherwise it is almost impossible.

 

[valarmogu]

For me, the good news after the "Neşter" missile is that the KAAN deal is now finalized. Block 10 deliveries will be completed by 2030, with the first one in 2028.

https://www.ulusavunma.com/kaan-savas-ucagi-icin-tedarik-sozlesmesi-imzalandi/

 

[Khagan1923]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2052035800926159243

revolver cannon

 

[Pokemonte13]

we missed some big stuff

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2052111248842694938

the most important ones:
SEIRS extra orders
V/UHF Radar
YIRAD
Extra orders for ALP 100

 

[Huelague]

@TR_123456
All objects fall to earth at the same acceleration (without air resistance) , 9,81 m/s². The actual speed at impact depends on the height of fall and the time.

 

[Huelague]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2052035800926159243

revolver cannon

How many mm?

 

[Pokemonte13]

How many mm?

They show different calibers 35/30/25

 

[Yasar_TR]

@TR_123456
All objects fall to earth at the same acceleration (without air resistance) , 9,81 m/s². The actual speed at impact depends on the height of fall and the time.

See my post #179 in previous page pls. Terminal impacts velocity on earth is governed by the related formula.

smaller the silhouette and drag coefficient of the missile and the bigger the mass of the missile; then the bigger is the terminal impact speed as dictated by the formula.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

we missed some big stuff

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2052111248842694938

the most important ones:
SEIRS extra orders
V/UHF Radar
YIRAD
Extra orders for ALP 100

WTF is a Bayraktar TBT-AI?
Or is it a typo that's supposed to be the TB-2 AI?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Tolga Oztek has been drawn in to the MSB ArGe farce as well.
We will see tomorrow morning what it is all about when the MOD himself holds a press conference regarding Yildirimhan, Guchan etc.

Tolga Ozbek mentions it is a f110 size engine. Yet still says it has 42000lbf thrust.
He more or less reiterates what Yasar Güler said earlier. By the way, Yidirimhan is not a mock up. It is the real McCoy!

There is something fishy about this whole story.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Ardan Zenturk too is talking about the Guchan turbofan engine.
He too is singing from the same hymn sheet!

 

[TurkWolf]

The only other thing i can think is that the project is very real, but what they have shown is fake. What do i mean by this, Turks are saying to them we have these capabilities, but at the same time by showing an unrelated fake/mockup they are not giving away the real capabilities.

This is what I meant by the 4D Chess maybe . We're showing we can (achieve these projects) also at same time giving off Iran vibes to maybe make them underestimate us? I am hoping this is the case or it's super cringe as hell.
But if I was inventing a super weapon in my garage i'd not want masses to know.. least until it was almost done. Or hell, maybe I would if I was super confident the enemies couldn't touch me/it.

The danger of course that this is just a typical iranian style stunt designed for domestic consumption.

Yeah, this is a huge worry. Years of me laughing at the Iranians and now we're doing the same.

 

[Anmdt]

Tolga Oztek has been drawn in to the MSB ArGe farce as well.
We will see tomorrow morning what it is all about when the MOD himself holds a press conference regarding Yildirimhan, Guchan etc.

Tolga Ozbek mentions it is a f110 size engine. Yet still says it has 42000lbf thrust.
He more or less reiterates what Yasar Güler said earlier. By the way, Yidirimhan is not a mock up. It is the real McCoy!

There is something fishy about this whole story.

Note it aside; MSB is preparing for a sharp U turn. They will be claiming that 'these models only set an ultimate goal for our needs, not depicting the actual products, but prepared as guidelines for natioanl companies on what to develop next'. Also known as; ----

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Note it aside; MSB is preparing for a sharp U turn. They will be claiming that 'these models only set an ultimate goal for our needs, not depicting the actual products, but prepared as guidelines for natioanl companies on what to develop next'. Also known as; ----

What was the fvcking point of this Qaher-313esque sh1tshow?
All my excitement about SAHA was ruined by MSB ARGE which is supposed to be a no-BS, serious institution.
Even if they somehow tested them in some form, the ambiguity surrounding them and the shear insinuation that these were ready products, deserves some resignations and some firings IMO.
Let's wait and sea how they're going to go around this one tomorrow!