Korea SAM programs
- Thread starter Cabatli_TR
- Start date
urban mine
Well-known member
- Messages
- 318
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
No. AAM's test videos are not publicly available.
- Messages
- 4,846
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
Are they being accepted to service?
urban mine
Well-known member
- Messages
- 318
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
Yes. Both ABM and AAM are going into production. It's just that the video has not been released.
- Messages
- 634
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
They released ABM video only to show Kim Jong Un that we can shoot down his TBM and SRBM.
Once shortly after North Korean ICBM test they publicized a clip with Hyunmoo-V, the »Monster« missile with 8-9t deep bunker penetrating warhead. Showing the DPRK leadership we can blow up their asses … and China that we have weapons with 3.000km IRBM range.
urban mine
Well-known member
- Messages
- 318
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
(초스압)국군의날 시가행진(장비 부대) - 군사 마이너 갤러리
전통 가악대육군 의장대해군 의장대공군 의장대해병대 의장대싸이카 부대FA-50 편대F-15 편대싸이카 부대국군 제병지휘부장비부대 지휘부K2 전차K21K808천무AH-64천마화생방장갑차KAAV유무인전투체계지휘부유무인전투체
At the LIG Nex1 booth at the last ADEX, the guy who asked the question said that the AAM will have a range of 150~160km.
urban mine
Well-known member
- Messages
- 318
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
The former. Only the missiles are different....
- Messages
- 634
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
We‘ll improve the range further in Block II.More detailed L-SAM AAM
(초스압)국군의날 시가행진(장비 부대) - 군사 마이너 갤러리
전통 가악대육군 의장대해군 의장대공군 의장대해병대 의장대싸이카 부대FA-50 편대F-15 편대싸이카 부대국군 제병지휘부장비부대 지휘부K2 전차K21K808천무AH-64천마화생방장갑차KAAV유무인전투체계지휘부유무인전투체gall.dcinside.com
View attachment 70938
At the LIG Nex1 booth at the last ADEX, the guy who asked the question said that the AAM will have a range of 150~160km.
The best things is, L-SAM Block I AAM can intercept targets speeding at Mach 2.05 up to 40+ km altitude.
Last edited:
- Messages
- 634
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
Two different interceptor types of same L-SAM system (1 AESA MF radar, 1 C&C center, 1 Combat control station, 4 launchers: ABM + AAM).
ABM is 3 stage missile, bigger diameter with integrated TVC booster and heat-shielded IIR seeker with maneuverable endoatmospheric kill-vehicle (DACS).
ABM launchers are circular tubes.
AAM launchers are rectangular canisters (@urban mine pic from above
)
Last edited:
- Messages
- 634
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
There‘re most available images of ABM and AAM in your post. AAM launching test video was never disclosed, only ABM launch & interception video. Photos of AAM from defense fairs, nothing else more out there afaik.Please share photos of missiles rather than launchers
Again Korea again great technology.
L-SAM ABM appears superior than PAC-3
View attachment 70947
View attachment 70948
View attachment 70950
View attachment 70949
L-SAM covers a higher layer of air defense (longer range, higher altitude) than PAC-3.
Patriot as a medium-range air defense is incredibly good.
urban mine
Well-known member
- Messages
- 318
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
Please share photos of missiles rather than launchers
Again Korea again great technology.
L-SAM ABM appears superior than PAC-3
In the first place, PAC-3 and L-SAM have different areas of responsibility. Rather than looking at which one is better, we should look at whether they can accomplish the mission in their respective areas, especially in ballistic interceptions on a narrow peninsula, where KAMD requires layered air defenses to work well.
(This graphic is just for reference. There may be errors.)
urban mine
Well-known member
- Messages
- 318
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
S. Korea completes development of L-SAM missile defense system
[Anchor] The development of the long-range surface-to-air missile, L-SAM, which intercepts enemy mi...
S. Korea completes development of L-SAM missile defense system
The development of the long-range surface-to-air missile, L-SAM, which intercepts enemy missiles at altitudes exceeding 40 kilometers, has been completed.It is expected that the Korean missile defense system will become even stronger.
This achievement comes after more than 10 years of research using our technology.
This is reporter Song Geum-han.
[Report]
The enemy missile launched from the launcher exits the atmosphere and then re-enters the atmosphere in a parabolic trajectory.
The key to the defense system is to intercept the missile in mid-air before it hits the ground, neutralizing the enemy's attack.
According to the Korean multi-layered defense system, the THAAD system is used to neutralize North Korea's missiles at altitudes above 70 km, while the Patriot and Cheongung systems are used for those below 40 km. The 'long-range surface-to-air missile', L-SAM, has been developed with domestic technology to take on the missile interception mission in between these points.
When a North Korean missile or aircraft intrusion is detected, the L-SAM battery immediately initiates a response operation.
The launched L-SAM sequentially separates its first and second-stage boosters, followed by the forward cover, maximizing its instantaneous kinetic energy to intercept the ballistic missile.
At this time, the so-called 'Hit-to-Kill' method, which strikes the enemy's weapon through precise position transformation and attitude adjustment, has been implemented with pure domestic technology by the Agency for Defense Development after more than a decade of research.
[Kim Yong-hyun/Minister of National Defense: "Even if North Korea carries out missile provocations, our military's solid defense network will not be penetrated, and the North will pay a greater price of 'end of regime' rather than any benefits gained from provocations."]
ABM nose shroud separation test
missile 1,2 stage separation test
The future development of the high-altitude interceptor guided missile and glide-phase interceptor guided missile from L-SAM II will see the completion of the KAMD.
Attachments
-
kamd 완성.jpg
Last edited:
urban mine
Well-known member
- Messages
- 318
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
L-SAM can carry a mix of AAM and ABM canisters on a single launcher, like the Patriot missile system. This would allow for more autonomy and operational effectiveness.
AAM and ABM
Configuring radar sets
L-SAM System Components
AAM and ABM
Configuring radar sets
L-SAM System Components
urban mine
Well-known member
- Messages
- 318
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
ADEX에 있던 천궁2, PAC-3 제원표 - 군사 마이너 갤러리
사거리는 PAC-3가 당연히 더 김. 길이도 PAC-3가 더 긴데 의외로 무게는 더 가벼움. 속도는 천궁2가 더 빠른데 아마 짧은 거리내에서 요격해야해서 그렇게 설계된듯 함. 우리군은 알다시피 PAC-3는 장거리, 천
urban mine
Well-known member
- Messages
- 318
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
M-SAM II
urban mine
Well-known member
- Messages
- 318
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
How did Russia contribute to the birth of the KM-SAM(Cheongung) series?
As already discussed in KSLV-I, Russia has been engaged in technical cooperation with South Korea in a number of areas. The air defense system is also a result of this “cooperation.” This cooperation is unique in that it is not a unilateral provision of technical assistance from one side to the other, but rather the sharing of technologies possessed by each other and their application to the systems of the other country.
South Korea completed intermediate-range air defense systems with KM-SAM and Russia with S-350E Vityaz.
Let's look at the situation in South Korea at the time (late 1990s to late 2000s). North Korea had been threatening South Korea with short-range ballistic missiles for some time. Moreover, North Korea's nuclear program made it a much more dangerous threat than the Scud missiles of the Iraq War, and South Korea had no other option than the US Patriot missile. However, the U.S. Patriot missiles were too expensive (South Korea was strapped for cash in the aftermath of the IMF financial crisis) and the limited budget would not have allowed South Korea to fill the air defense zone. South Korea's eventual acquisition of Patriot missiles came from used PAC-2s that were part of a German disarmament in the mid- to late-2000s. These PAC-2s were commissioned by the U.S. to be upgraded to near PAC-3 Conf-2 capability to replace South Korea's Nike missiles. Considering that South Korea did not acquire the PAC-3 MSE until the early to mid-2010s, the Patriot series is a capable but expensive system for South Korea.
The air defense missile South Korea had at the time was the old Nike Hercules, the MIM-23 HAWK.
The problem was the Hawk. Of course, Hawk is a system that can have limited defense capabilities against cruise and ballistic missiles in the current battlefield if MLU is implemented. However, South Korea was not willing to improve it to that extent and decided that it was better to create a new medium-range missile defense system. The ADD had previously developed a short-range air defense missile, the K-31 missile, with French assistance, but had no experience with an air defense missile with a medium-range range of 40 kilometers. It was also the first decentralized complex weapon system developed by South Korea, with multifunctional radars, command and control centers, and launchers that were previously developed as separate systems from surface-to-air missiles, and guided missiles guided by active homing. At the time, the military had no experience operating this type of weapon, and when the ADD explained it, they did not understand it well and even questioned it. It can be seen that this was a very challenging project for South Korea at the time.
Inevitably, the development had to be done with foreign cooperation..... This is where Russia comes into play again as the best candidate
When Russia was still called the Soviet Union, it was forced to build up its air defense missile forces to counter the mighty American air power. From Vietnam to the Middle East to the Balkans, they fought a proxy war of spears and shields. Then the Russians realized that their air defense systems were too heavy and complicated. Of course, these air defense systems with the letter S were effective, but they were also too expensive to produce, which would put them at a disadvantage in modern warfare. Therefore, they drew up a plan to create a new missile system. The problem was that Russia, being a country born out of the collapse of the Soviet Union at the time, didn't have the money.
South Korea offered Russia a basic ROC for an air defense missile system that South Korea wanted to develop. In 2005, the two countries signed an agreement in the form of a technology joint venture in which Russia would lead the design of key components such as the system and antennas, while South Korea would provide technologies in the digital, information and communication, projet management, and manufacturing sectors that it had been developing. (AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF KOREA AND THE GOVERNMENT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION ON COOPERATION ON THE PROGRAM OF THE MEDIUM RANGE SURFACE-TO-AIR MISSILE SYSTEM) For this series of cooperation, Korea paid royalties to Russia, which is said to be about $2.8 million. To be honest, I haven't found the exact official data, but this is the amount according to the sources available on the Internet.
In 2006, Russia's Almaz delivered a prototype of the МФРЛС (MFR) to Korea, and Korea conducted tests that implemented various weather conditions in the actual situation as much as possible. Almaz signed a new contract with Samsung Thales (currently Hanwha Aerospace) to produce the second prototype of the MFR, provide mass production and technical documents, and Samsung Thales was in charge of coordinating and checking it. In this process, they must have gained experience on how to develop phase-array radars. This 3D PESA radar, which was created after the CDR began, is the world's first radar to apply the radar rotation mode and stop mode. Russia opposed the dual mode, saying it had technical difficulties, but ADD developed a reliable rotating motor to overcome it.
Some may think that the cold-launching method of the guided missile indicates that the cooperation with Russia is limited to the missile, but the missile itself is 100% indigenously developed with technologies from the United States and Europe. This is especially true given that the missile's components are similar to those of the PAC series. However, it is clear that the cold launching was influenced by Russia.
In any case, each component of the system was developed, integrated, and finally tested, and development was completed in 2011. This experience led to the development of the M-SAM II, an improved version of the system to counter ballistic missiles, which was later developed into the L-SAM, a high-altitude, long-range surface-to-air missile system. It was also the largest single-item export to Middle Eastern countries such as the UAE and KSA, which would not have been possible without this experience.
This experience allowed Russia to introduce and study Western technologies through foreign technical cooperation (in the areas of digital, project management, information and communication, manufacturing, etc.) Of course, unlike the M-SAM, which was developed in the early 2010s, the S-350 was tested in 2013, but mass production did not begin until the early 2020s and was delivered to the Russian military. There are also differences in the MFR, such as the change from PESA to AESA. Perhaps the delay in mass production was due to the need to create a naval version as well as a land version. Anyway, the S-350 is said to have done well in the war in Ukraine, which is a pity in retrospect.
The bottom line is that the cooperation between Russia and South Korea was a win-win. The diplomatic situation was good and the interests of both countries were well aligned, which led to satisfactory results. If any of the conditions had been broken, the cooperation would have been broken or prolonged, and South Korea would not have gotten to where it is today.
As already discussed in KSLV-I, Russia has been engaged in technical cooperation with South Korea in a number of areas. The air defense system is also a result of this “cooperation.” This cooperation is unique in that it is not a unilateral provision of technical assistance from one side to the other, but rather the sharing of technologies possessed by each other and their application to the systems of the other country.
South Korea completed intermediate-range air defense systems with KM-SAM and Russia with S-350E Vityaz.
Let's look at the situation in South Korea at the time (late 1990s to late 2000s). North Korea had been threatening South Korea with short-range ballistic missiles for some time. Moreover, North Korea's nuclear program made it a much more dangerous threat than the Scud missiles of the Iraq War, and South Korea had no other option than the US Patriot missile. However, the U.S. Patriot missiles were too expensive (South Korea was strapped for cash in the aftermath of the IMF financial crisis) and the limited budget would not have allowed South Korea to fill the air defense zone. South Korea's eventual acquisition of Patriot missiles came from used PAC-2s that were part of a German disarmament in the mid- to late-2000s. These PAC-2s were commissioned by the U.S. to be upgraded to near PAC-3 Conf-2 capability to replace South Korea's Nike missiles. Considering that South Korea did not acquire the PAC-3 MSE until the early to mid-2010s, the Patriot series is a capable but expensive system for South Korea.
The air defense missile South Korea had at the time was the old Nike Hercules, the MIM-23 HAWK.
The problem was the Hawk. Of course, Hawk is a system that can have limited defense capabilities against cruise and ballistic missiles in the current battlefield if MLU is implemented. However, South Korea was not willing to improve it to that extent and decided that it was better to create a new medium-range missile defense system. The ADD had previously developed a short-range air defense missile, the K-31 missile, with French assistance, but had no experience with an air defense missile with a medium-range range of 40 kilometers. It was also the first decentralized complex weapon system developed by South Korea, with multifunctional radars, command and control centers, and launchers that were previously developed as separate systems from surface-to-air missiles, and guided missiles guided by active homing. At the time, the military had no experience operating this type of weapon, and when the ADD explained it, they did not understand it well and even questioned it. It can be seen that this was a very challenging project for South Korea at the time.
Inevitably, the development had to be done with foreign cooperation..... This is where Russia comes into play again as the best candidate
When Russia was still called the Soviet Union, it was forced to build up its air defense missile forces to counter the mighty American air power. From Vietnam to the Middle East to the Balkans, they fought a proxy war of spears and shields. Then the Russians realized that their air defense systems were too heavy and complicated. Of course, these air defense systems with the letter S were effective, but they were also too expensive to produce, which would put them at a disadvantage in modern warfare. Therefore, they drew up a plan to create a new missile system. The problem was that Russia, being a country born out of the collapse of the Soviet Union at the time, didn't have the money.
South Korea offered Russia a basic ROC for an air defense missile system that South Korea wanted to develop. In 2005, the two countries signed an agreement in the form of a technology joint venture in which Russia would lead the design of key components such as the system and antennas, while South Korea would provide technologies in the digital, information and communication, projet management, and manufacturing sectors that it had been developing. (AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF KOREA AND THE GOVERNMENT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION ON COOPERATION ON THE PROGRAM OF THE MEDIUM RANGE SURFACE-TO-AIR MISSILE SYSTEM) For this series of cooperation, Korea paid royalties to Russia, which is said to be about $2.8 million. To be honest, I haven't found the exact official data, but this is the amount according to the sources available on the Internet.
In 2006, Russia's Almaz delivered a prototype of the МФРЛС (MFR) to Korea, and Korea conducted tests that implemented various weather conditions in the actual situation as much as possible. Almaz signed a new contract with Samsung Thales (currently Hanwha Aerospace) to produce the second prototype of the MFR, provide mass production and technical documents, and Samsung Thales was in charge of coordinating and checking it. In this process, they must have gained experience on how to develop phase-array radars. This 3D PESA radar, which was created after the CDR began, is the world's first radar to apply the radar rotation mode and stop mode. Russia opposed the dual mode, saying it had technical difficulties, but ADD developed a reliable rotating motor to overcome it.
Some may think that the cold-launching method of the guided missile indicates that the cooperation with Russia is limited to the missile, but the missile itself is 100% indigenously developed with technologies from the United States and Europe. This is especially true given that the missile's components are similar to those of the PAC series. However, it is clear that the cold launching was influenced by Russia.
In any case, each component of the system was developed, integrated, and finally tested, and development was completed in 2011. This experience led to the development of the M-SAM II, an improved version of the system to counter ballistic missiles, which was later developed into the L-SAM, a high-altitude, long-range surface-to-air missile system. It was also the largest single-item export to Middle Eastern countries such as the UAE and KSA, which would not have been possible without this experience.
This experience allowed Russia to introduce and study Western technologies through foreign technical cooperation (in the areas of digital, project management, information and communication, manufacturing, etc.) Of course, unlike the M-SAM, which was developed in the early 2010s, the S-350 was tested in 2013, but mass production did not begin until the early 2020s and was delivered to the Russian military. There are also differences in the MFR, such as the change from PESA to AESA. Perhaps the delay in mass production was due to the need to create a naval version as well as a land version. Anyway, the S-350 is said to have done well in the war in Ukraine, which is a pity in retrospect.
The bottom line is that the cooperation between Russia and South Korea was a win-win. The diplomatic situation was good and the interests of both countries were well aligned, which led to satisfactory results. If any of the conditions had been broken, the cooperation would have been broken or prolonged, and South Korea would not have gotten to where it is today.
